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To: savagesusie
the cardinal sins like murder, theft (except by government) and rape.

Notice that all those sins by definition involve a nonconsenting party, whereas sodomy often occurs between consenting adults.

61 posted on 11/24/2017 6:56:22 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

NO. You are wrong again. People CAN consent to have a person “murder” them, but the consenting murderer would still be prosecuted with murder—as a doctor would prior to the “legalization” of sin (killing old people/euthanasia). Why? Because it is evil (sin) to kill others except in self defense.

Suicide would not need consent but if a doctor agreed (consented) to kill the person they would have lost their license and been put in prison (in a true justice system which we had until our present unconstitutional Vice System).

You still don’t understand Natural Rights, do you? “Consenting” to do evil, irrational things to others is using others in immoral objectified way-—stripping them of dignity. There is NEVER a God-given “Right” to do evil.....EVER!!!! Even if you lust or are warped enough to think doing vile inhumane things to others is “fun”.

So, if the State wanted to-—it would be constitutional to have it a felony to commit sodomy-—like it was when we had a TRUE JUSTICE (virtue) System before 2003/Lawrence v. Texas. All John Maynard Keynes and his homosexual orgy buddies could (and should) have been put in prison for their vile, dehumanizing behaviors, even if they didn’t bring in all the little boys to be raped. We had sodomy laws on the books for hundreds of years. England had to have the death penalty imposed for sodomites, especially on their ships, cuz they would attack all their young sailors and the cabin boys.

Justices Scalia and Thomas were correct. We now have a Vice System (which is unconstitutional since it promotes vice by allowing evil to be promoted and glorified to little children to warp their concepts of male/female and flourishing relationships which degrade others for lust which is the opposite of “love”. Love is selfless and a virtue. Homosexuals don’t “love” those they desire to degrade and use for their own warped lust—as a means to an end—in irrational, vile ways.

Promoting vice in a “legal” system destroys virtue formation and there is NO FREEDOM and NO FREE WILL when you have no virtue in people. Vice breeds vice (slavery only) and collapses civil society (Cicero/Founders). All Founders stated that a free Republic is only possible with a virtuous people (people who don’t use others in vile, irrational, evil ways).


62 posted on 11/24/2017 7:22:02 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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