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To: savagesusie
So, a wife has a Natural Duty to have sex with her husband-—but not to allow him to sodomize her.

Still another of your straw men - I neither stated nor implied a duty to engage in sodomy.

It is evil to rape your wife

And another straw man - I never stated nor implied the contrary.

Just read part of your response again and it seems you need to have basic understanding of some fundamental Truths of Western Civilization—what gave us the Age of Reason, Modern Science and the US Constitution and our Justice System: Natural Law Theory which is only possible with a Christian worldview.

I explicitly appealed to natural law. You can either explain how my response was faulty, or just expect others to take your word for it - your call.

The grave problem with putting the government in charge of punishing all evil is that 0bama and the Rats held that for nuns to refuse to pay for abortifacient drugs was evil. Our Founding Fathers believed in limited government exactly because only under limited government is it possible for Good to flourish.

I missed your response to this point.

no health hazard like there always is with sodomy of others.

Oral sodomy has no greater hazard to health than intercourse.

I have raised children.....

As have I.

you can normalize anything in a young child

Which in no way implies that everything that is legal becomes normalized, in children or anyone else.

30 posted on 11/22/2017 6:35:54 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Herpes is a major problem and health cost and comes from oral so-called “sex”. It was rare in society until after Deep Throat and the “sexual revolution, when STDs flourished as did killing babies and fatherless children who ended up filling up our prisons.

I thought I was clear that Just Law does NOT punish ALL EVIL. It is impossible. Suicide laws can’t really exist although for companies, and insurance—they can make regulations which won’t honor evil acts which would be constitutional.

The fact is—that when the majority of people are all evil—then there is NO civil society. It will collapse or be a tyranny or socialist (slave) culture or in chaos. Civli societies (Freedom) NEED virtuous people—period. Vice creates slaves and collapses cultures.

LIMITED GOVERNMENT IS ONLY POSSIBLE WITH A VIRTUOUS PEOPLE—(STATED BY ALL THE FOUNDERS and Socrates and Cicero).

You are missing my point. Limited government is only possible with virtuous people. Vice creates the need of government systems for control like courts, jails, judges, detention centers, police, homeless shelters, hospitals, etc. Vice overloads the tax payers all the time and makes the taxpayers into their slaves-—just like a socialist system does which is EVIL and unconstitutional.

A Justice System doesn’t need to OUTLAW ALL EVIL-—it Just has to PROMOTE PUBLIC VIRTUE IN ALL LAWS-—never vice like welfare, (theft) and sodomy and baby-killing which normalizes those acts in the next generation. It took cultures thousands of years of ONLY Christianity to eliminate and end “slavery” as a “good” because it is against Natural Law and God’s Laws-—both are linked. Natural Law-—Laws of Nature and nature’s God-—and Individual Natural Rights only come from God and predate all governments.

I think I am repeating myself too much and have exhausted the subject. If you don’t understand the basis of “Justice” (the Queen of Virtue) and the basic NEED to have “JUST LAW” in a Justice System-—go back and read Cicero. although he was not a Christian, so his worldview was not quite perfect because he still believed slavery was “good” and sodomy of boys and men was also fine. But that is paganism (godlessness) for you. Fact is Natural Law Theory was not really developed thoroughly and perfectly until St. Thomas Aquinas’s “Summa”. Locke didn’t really improve on the Theory of Natural Law—since subsidiarity was always in the Catholic Canon long before Locke.


32 posted on 11/22/2017 7:52:56 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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