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Trump’s Response to LaVar Ball — Most Unpresidential
National Review ^ | 11/19/2017 | Katherine Timpf

Posted on 11/20/2017 9:38:39 AM PST by SeekAndFind

The father of one of the basketball players who had been facing shoplifting charges in China downplayed President Trump’s role in having him released — and Trump’s response may be one of the worst I’ve seen yet.

Now, to be fair, I certainly do understand why President Trump would have been upset by this. If you want to argue that LiAngelo Ball’s father, LaVar, should have shown gratitude instead of dismissal of President Trump’s efforts, then I’d say that’s a fine argument. What’s not fine, however, is this:

Now that the three basketball players are out of China and saved from years in jail, LaVar Ball, the father of LiAngelo, is unaccepting of what I did for his son and that shoplifting is no big deal. I should have left them in jail! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 19, 2017

I mean, really? These three players thanked you by name, but because one of their fathers said something that you didn’t like, all three of them should have had to rot in a foreign jail? There’s really no appropriate response to a reaction like that except for, just, come on, man.

Of course, I’m not saying that these players don’t deserve any punishment. They do . . . and they deserve some ridicule, too. After all, not only is stealing wrong, but stealing in China also makes you kind of an idiot. These three embarrassed themselves, UCLA, their families, and our entire country — but they still don’t deserve to rot in a Chinese jail, and President Trump did the right thing by working to free them. Here’s the thing, though: President Trump should have worked to free them simply because it was the right thing to do, and his tweet suggests he did it looking for admiration.

What makes me think that? Well, as soon as someone — not even one of the players, but one of the player’s fathers — changed his tone from gratitude and praise to dismissal and minimization, President Trump immediately rushed to the keyboard to say he regretted doing it.

This wasn’t “presidential,” and I’m not using that word in the way that most people use it. After all, when most people criticize Trump for not being “presidential,” what they mean is that he doesn’t conduct himself with the kind of decorum that they believe someone in his position should. This, however, goes so far beyond that: It suggests that President Trump does not understand that his role is to be a servant for the people of the United States — of all of the people, whether they (or their fathers) like him or not.

Yes, what President Trump did was noble, but it wasn’t extraordinary — it was his job. This is America, and our presidents don’t just leave U.S. citizens in foreign countries’ jails regardless of whether or not those citizens thought it was a good idea to steal luxury merchandise or not. President Trump should have done what he did because it’s the kind of thing he was elected to do, not in exchange for recognition from the players, their fathers, or anyone.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; kat; katherinetimpf; lavarball; shoplifting; timpf; trump
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To: SeekAndFind

Only the grammar parsing intellectuals at NR have trouble understanding what Trump meant.

Never Trumpers are still “taking him literally while supporters take him seriously”.


41 posted on 11/20/2017 9:51:14 AM PST by aquila48
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To: SeekAndFind

The author is an @$$.

Trump should have left them to get the punishment they so deserved.


42 posted on 11/20/2017 9:51:20 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Katherine Timpf”

I was wondering what Bill Kristol’s new nom de plume was.


43 posted on 11/20/2017 9:51:35 AM PST by Eddie01
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To: SeekAndFind
In the sterile vacuum of a perfect world Kat Timph’s comments make sense and are strictly correct

In the real world of spoiled rotten brat entitlement and identity politics victim hood we live in, Trump's admittedly very un Presidential statement was spot on, appropriate and even necessary.

44 posted on 11/20/2017 9:52:00 AM PST by rdcbn
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To: SeekAndFind

She’s right. Tweeting isn’t Presidential. The Presidential thing would have been to have US Marshals arrest LiAngelo, and turn him over to the USN for keelhauling, to the applause of a grateful nation. The charge: being named LiAngelo.


45 posted on 11/20/2017 9:52:43 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: SeekAndFind

I”m getting very tired of these self important so called “journalists” telling us what is and isn’t presidential. Didn’t hear squat out of this -itch when Obama’s actions/comments were un-presidential — and there were a lot of those instances.


46 posted on 11/20/2017 9:53:44 AM PST by falcon99
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To: SeekAndFind

When “presidential” is defined by the likes of Clinton and Obama, I’ll take Trump any day as the “new” definition.


47 posted on 11/20/2017 9:54:10 AM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: ColdOne
F-Trump was the answer to Trump.

These people are exposing the rot in their own hearts thanks to President Trump's gracious act toward a trio of thieving slugs.

That's how this president rolls. Only one domino was needed to start the cascade. Hillary: the first domino.

Best election ever.

48 posted on 11/20/2017 9:54:12 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Presidents aren’t Kings, they are employees of the people, they are BELOW the people so when I hear a US President talking like the average guy on the street I LIKE it because I know this is a President who knows his place. Compare that to someone like Hillary Clinton or John Kerry who view the people as mere spitoons who exist solely to serve them. That is what we do NOT need in Washington.


49 posted on 11/20/2017 9:54:41 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Trump: Greatest POTUS of all time solely for preventing Satan from taking office.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Timpf is with the anti-Trump National Review which my understanding is having difficulties raising enough funding to keep in business. Maybe Timpf is adding to their woes.


50 posted on 11/20/2017 9:55:20 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What Trump should have said in response to the ingrate father is that if the father had set a better example, his son would not have needed presidential help to get out of a very stupid mistake. But, now that the father has weighed in, it’s quite obvious why the son acted so poorly. #Realfathersraiserealmen.


51 posted on 11/20/2017 9:55:24 AM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: SeekAndFind
Such BS. Obama had other ways to shame anyone he felt like shaming... he would simply call WaPo, NYT, late night comedy show producers, etc. and have them do the heavy lifting for him. Trump doesn't have that ability since they're all leftists who hate Trump.

Twitter is the only way Trump has to get his opinion out. Of course he could write an opinion piece for WaPo or something, but who reads that garbage... and WaPo would probably reword whatever he sent in anyway.

52 posted on 11/20/2017 9:56:37 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: SeekAndFind

I figured out what the left means by Presidencial: Fake, Phoney, Obscurvative, e.g.


53 posted on 11/20/2017 9:57:31 AM PST by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: SeekAndFind

She’s the scrawny bitch on Greg Gutfelds show.

OMG, she’s the new Fox News neocon.

Now I understand where her loyalties lie.

Bill Kristol, Fred Barnes, Mort Kondrake all gone.

She’s their new hope? I loath neocons.


54 posted on 11/20/2017 9:58:48 AM PST by Eddie01
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To: Ezekiel

Yes....BEE...best election ever!


55 posted on 11/20/2017 9:59:00 AM PST by ColdOne ((I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11~ Best Election Ever! It is offical, we are at war!)
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To: SeekAndFind

She is starting to make the Guttfeld show unwatchable.


56 posted on 11/20/2017 9:59:00 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SeekAndFind
National Rearview
57 posted on 11/20/2017 9:59:31 AM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell / Ryan: Why pass Cons legislation when we can pass Leftist legislation for Leftists?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Another ahole! They're multiplying over at NR!

Gratitude it is short supply in this country. Yesterday, the New York Times Sunday Review had at least 4 editorials from unhappy immigrants complaining about everything from Green Bean Casserole to being at a college that still had kids going home for Thanksgiving. (Administrators will soon fix that, undoubtedly.) Not one of them expressed love or gratitude towards the United States for taking in their refugee families.

This disgusting father not only didn't express gratitude, he disdained gratitude while at the same time making light of shoplifting in a dictatorship. The author is just another Never Trumper. If President Reagan had done this, she'd be jumping for joy.

58 posted on 11/20/2017 9:59:53 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: SeekAndFind

But letting this American get beaten to death in North Korea is presidential? FU National Review

59 posted on 11/20/2017 10:00:43 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: rjsimmon

I’m sure Trump had to give up something to get them out. I’m sure the Chinese made demands and he could have slow walked it, but he didn’t. They should have given’em a caning before they released them.


60 posted on 11/20/2017 10:02:16 AM PST by ichabod1 (Smoke does not mean fire when someone threw a smoke grenade.)
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