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To: Mr. Mojo
Yes, confiscation is the End Game. It always has been. But I have this to say to all the “tough guy” posts. When a dozen cops conduct a no knock raid on your house at 3 am, you just might not be able to act like Jason Bourne or Wyatt Earp.

When the cops become fascists and come for you or your guns, you will be outnumbered. They will use surprise and superior firepower. And they will use you loved ones as hostages against you if need be. Think that isn’t correct? Even tough mafia guys are routinely taken down, and they are heavily armed and know how to use their weapons quite well. Just a reality check to all the keyboard warriors. When they come for you, it won’t be cinematic. Do I believe in confiscation? Hell no.

But don’t for a minute think this will be fun.

32 posted on 11/11/2017 5:28:11 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

Won’t be fun for sure. Those kicking in doors at 3 am should think long and hard about the law of unintended consequences.


36 posted on 11/11/2017 5:41:39 PM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: SkyPilot

“But don’t for a minute think this will be fun.”

Well then, let the fun begin.


37 posted on 11/11/2017 5:42:14 PM PST by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: SkyPilot

Totally agree with your post - it won’t be fun. However, with today’s near-instant communication capability, it’s a fact that the first round of raids will alert the rest of the nation in a matter of minutes.

If I was a local cop, State police, sheriff etc, I do believe I’d want my family moved before they suffered some equal abuse while I was out conducting an unconstitutional mission.


38 posted on 11/11/2017 5:43:19 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: SkyPilot
But I have this to say to all the “tough guy” posts. When a dozen cops conduct a no knock raid on your house at 3 am, you just might not be able to act like Jason Bourne or Wyatt Earp.

No doubt.

However.

When they do it to Joesph Lattimer of Senona Park, Florida, I am likely to hear about it.

Then, I can take a decision.

I can wait for my turn.

Or I can act proactively.

Jason Earp, meet Wyatt Bourne.

39 posted on 11/11/2017 5:43:33 PM PST by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: SkyPilot

I can agree with some of your argument. It will be 3 AM no knock raids. But for how long will they last? How many can be done in one night? Will the “keyboard warriors” get off the keyboard and be waiting when the door gets kicked the next night, or whenever? Will they even wait? Is it possible people will organize, go down to the local police station and take back guns? I don’t see many sheriffs doing this since they are elected for the most part and “closer” to the people than police.
My other question is who is going to do this confiscation? I really don’t see anyplace outside the West Coast and North East where the people will just sit back and let their neighbors get screwed over this way by the police. Will Kentucky allow LAPD to come in and do it? I might pay good money to see that happen. Maybe we are getting closer to another civil war. There are things we need to stop and maybe violence is the only way we can stop it.


43 posted on 11/11/2017 5:53:32 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: SkyPilot

You forgot Tom ,Dick and Harry!


45 posted on 11/11/2017 5:54:42 PM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: SkyPilot

What makes you think I will be home?

What makes you think that I think any of it will be fun?

What makes you think I have any family?

What makes you think that resistance to tyranny has anything to do with being a “tough guy?” Or with fun? Or even with personally surviving?


55 posted on 11/11/2017 6:06:36 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: SkyPilot

"...conduct a no-knock raid at 3:00 am..."


Concur with your real-world post.
Most of us have families we love. Good friends. Solid well-paying jobs with big responsibilities.
Nice homes.

Who effortlessly transitions from all that...to shooting people out on the front yard?
It won’t be the flick of a lightswitch. It will be a pot of water that s-l-o-w-l-y starts getting warmer…purely to isolate us over time.
Media will conspire to paint decent patriots as complete nutjobs...so kiss your longtime job goodbye, too.


71 posted on 11/11/2017 7:13:55 PM PST by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: SkyPilot
When the cops become fascists and come for you or your guns

Which will never happen because most local and state police are patriots and will fight back against any federal overreach or federal agents knocking on people's doors.

And you forget about the armed neighbors...the retired military veterans in the community.

Outright confiscation just isn't going to happen, which is why the Left is eliminating guns through attrition, through the ballot box, and through demographics.

75 posted on 11/11/2017 7:39:28 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10% pure, flat income tax for everyone. No deductions, credits, or loopholes.)
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To: SkyPilot; Mr. Mojo

Skypilot, what you say about the no-knock raid at oh-dark-thirty by a bunch of armor clad cops is a shortly correct. However, you are forgetting a couple of things. First, many people will have some warning of this, particularly after first set of raids - there are still some people in government who are decent and patriotic Americans, who will not aid and abet this kind of action (except in the most extreme cases), and they will find a way to warn folks. Second, once those first raids occur, more people who may be targeted by them will be ready for them in several different ways. Either they will not be there, or their guns will not be there, or just the guns that they have on paper will be there, and they will hand those over with a smile. Several days or a couple of weeks later, they will then go and retrieve their unpapered firearms.

Then of course, you will have people who will decide after a series of raids on others that we have a tyrannical government, and they will take the battle to those people who have ordered such raids, or who support them. At that point most everyone in the press and media is a target, along with the judges and the families of the police officers involved. I really don’t think that the gun grabbers believe that it will come to that, but people will simply not give up their liberties without a fight, not when it is so nakedly done.

Be careful what you wish for, gun-grabbing would-be tyrants, you may get it.

I would urge every single gun owner to have at least one weapon that is not on paper, and that is also not in their home. The more people who do this, the less likely that a confiscation like this will even be tried. TPTB may not know specifics, but they will get the general sense that something like this is going on when several million people do it.


79 posted on 11/11/2017 7:43:02 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: SkyPilot

They will do that a few times, you can’t deny it.

Word will get out though, and there will be a lot of blood.


82 posted on 11/11/2017 7:59:01 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: SkyPilot

I understand you. I get bored by all these big talkers too.


83 posted on 11/11/2017 7:59:26 PM PST by Luke21
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To: SkyPilot

A large scale gun confiscation has never been attempted. What happened at Katrina was nothing.

Try to think carefully about the difference between a large scale, nation-wide confiscation and whatever examples you mentioned.

How many cops are there in the country? Compare that with one hundred million gun owners.


95 posted on 11/11/2017 9:24:12 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: SkyPilot

Now there’s an interesting idea. Will the cops, like Santa Claus, make it to every home in one night?


101 posted on 11/11/2017 10:37:48 PM PST by gogeo (Leftists are a parasite that destroys the host.)
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