Posted on 11/06/2017 5:47:37 PM PST by markomalley
The Trump administration is trying to strip citizenship away from four Somalis who allegedly lied in the process of using the Diversity Visa Program.
“For decades, the American people have begged and pleaded with their government for a lawful system of immigration that serves the national interest—a system that has as its foremost priorities their safety, their jobs, and their well-being,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a statement Monday. “The current immigration system is easily abused by fraudsters and nefarious actors, and that’s certainly true of the Diversity Immigrant Visa Program.”
The Diversity Visa Program has come under criticism after a beneficiary of the lottery allegedly attacking bicyclists in New York City last week.
“I am calling on Congress to TERMINATE the diversity visa lottery program that presents significant vulnerabilities to our national security,” President Donald Trump tweeted last week.
The four Somali nationals all came to the U.S in 2001 and allegedly falsely claimed that they were related. They have all since received American citizenship and now live in Minnesota.
“I previously taught civics classes, and saw firsthand how hard people work to come to the United States legally and honestly,” Homeland Security Acting Secretary Elaine Duke said in a statement. “It is out of respect for those people that we cannot tolerate fraud, deception, and abuse of our legal immigration system. Fraudulently obtained citizenship is an affront to our American values, the rule of law, and all those who honestly attained their immigration status.”
Diversity is good if the absence of diversity is evil.
IQ tests are tools of Evil White Privileged Oppressors, like math, and science.
Somalis are the worst of the lot of them. Ultra violent, and ultra low-IQ (~65 on average). They are flooding Western Europe too. One even threatened to put two bullets in my head, because I dared ask why it is Europe’s problem to take care of the migrants...and why they don’t go to the rich Muslim Gulf States.
It’s called chasing down the last White person.
Where is it written that the absence of diversity is evil?
We did quite well for 200 years without using the word diversity or being obsessed with the concept as it is applied today.
I went to school with and grew up with people from many different backgrounds and races and no one ever used that term or lost sleep over the fact there were too many or too few people of one type or another.
Did you ever hear of D.P.'s? Shorthand for Displaced Persons?
After WWII we had a large influx of people from all over the world who were generally classified as D.P.'s.
It didn't take long for them to learn English, learn our ways, fit right in and become Americans.
They came here to join us, to become Americans and live as Americans - not to insist we adjust to their culture and change America to accommodate them.
There is a lot of wisdom and truth in this old adage:
United we stand - Divided we fall.
Diversity is the opposite of unity.
I didn’t write “because”.
I wrote “if”.
[[Still waiting for someone - anyone - to explain what the benefits of “diversity” are supposed to be.]]
I’ll explain it to you
Politicians are getting bribed to take these by the Saudis
The get paid tons of money and then stick you with the responsibility of paying for these “diversity” people.
The “diversity “ people are not here to benefit our society and they are not here to become a part of it .
The only reason they are here is because our slimy politicians take bribes .
DEPORT. Deport lawbreaking illigals immediately
Islam is by far the most systemically evil of all major religions on the planet, but how would the country constitutionally deport millions of legal citizens? There is no way to legally strip a person a person of citizenship based solely upon upon religious belief. At least 1 million or more are natural born full citizens, so you cannot even apply the oath nonviabilty argument to them. I hope you have a novel workaround, as I am open to removing as many as possible, but can see no legal way to do it, other than a constitutional amendment, which would never have any legitimate hope of passing congress, let alone a single state.
Yes, Winning!
It it legal immigration I don't have an intrinsic problem with, even though I see it as fundamentally broken now, where it serves as a filter to keep people out we might want as Americans, and preferentially lets people in that we DON'T want as Americans because they either hate us, or have no usable skill or reason for coming here except that the US government will take care of them.
I think you might have just mis-read my post!
Somalis are also in King Country, Seattle area. The men hang out at the malls and stare/harass the women walking by.
No no no. Please don’t make assumptions on that basis about H1B visas, or anything else along those lines simply because I do NOT take the stance that we should have ZERO immigration.
I do not view sensible and controlled immigration as a bad thing. Hey, if we didn’t have an immigration policy at all and took that stance that we let NOBODY in (a stance I find silly) then we would have never had the success we did with the Manhattan Project, just to list a single example.
But please note the words “sensible and controlled”. We have neither a “sensible” nor “controlled” immigration policy right now, as I have said repeatedly in my posts. The fact that we have a huge number of people who entered this country on legal, government sanctioned visas who have overstayed their visa is ample evidence all on its own.
I completely 100% agree that our southern border is completely porous and people are flowing in an un-monitored mass from every single geographic location south of the Rio Grande all the way down to Argentina. This is absolutely criminal.
With respect to H1B Visas, I don’t have a problem with a CONTROLLED and SENSIBLE program, which you and I both can agree it is not. We shouldn’t just let everyone who can derive an equation, write software, or perform any number of technical or non-technical tasks in.
I am all on board for reducing taxation and bureaucratic overhead on American industry, but that does not mean in any way I sanction what is done in the example of companies that bring in cheap labor from overseas simply to replace domestic labor at a cheaper price.
As far as I am concerned, that should be a criminal act, punishable under law. We should be able to bring H1B candidates into this country for essential skills we have a shortage of, and that number is going to be far, Far, FAR lower than what is allowed legally under the law currently.
You and I do not disagree much. I also believe that building an enforceable barrier on the Mexican border is critical to solving our horrible illegal immigration problem, which is and has been out of control. Hell, the previous administration actively and openly worked against any measures to control the border and encouraged illegal violations. Actually encouraged it. Think about that. I think that was 100% criminal as well, since we DO have laws on the books about this (including the whole “sanctury city” BS) that were deliberately flouted. Deliberately.
That alone proves that in the last nine years (at least) we were not living in a heatlhy republic ruled by law, but in a banana republic ruled by a cabal.
Where we differ is on a total immigration ban. I believe we should have immigration, and we should be picky about who we let in, and how many of them we let in. Currently, we are picky about who we let in, but it is 100% ass end backwards who we favor. That should end today.
If we control legal immigration in a manner that protects American jobs from foreign job raiders, and also protects the American taxpayers from those who come here and are going to be non-assimilating wards of the state, that would also go a long way towards fixing it. End the anchor babies. End allowing people to bring others here. End the Dreamer BS. Monitor who comes and goes on legal visas and institute enforcement that guarantees people will think twice about overstaying their visas (basically, do what every other civilized country does, and often much harsher, as in the case of Mexico about people who ignore or violate visa/border laws) and that would go a long way.
As I said, I really don’t think we disagree much. I think I can support these approaches without having to surrender my credentials as a conservative, don’t you?
He, see? We are pretty much on the same page! The anchor babies aspect is particularly egregious to me.
It is one of the reasons many of us like a President like Trump-he doesn’t say “My esteemed colleague across the aisle...” but instead says things through Twitter like “This is an outright lie/disgrace, why isn’t anyone addressing this?”
I am so sick of politician-speak, and that faux-politeness. All it has done is nothing except to sink us deeper into the mire with each passing year.
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