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To: Magnum44
I am not sure I believe that, though I hear the blue state governors claiming such.

You can find dozens of sites, I'll not a couple below. California is actually about break even, but other blue states are not. First link has a pretty good interactive map.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/which-states-give-the-most-the-federal-government-which-get-the-most.htm

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-dependent-on-federal-government.html/?a=viewall

https://taxfoundation.org/states-rely-most-federal-aid/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/letters/ct-how-illinois-taxpayers-federal-funds-givers-takers-bill-foster-020170328-story.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state

http://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-more-dependent-on-federal-government-2015-7

270 posted on 11/02/2017 11:41:52 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: SJackson

I appreciate the links. Not sure if I have time at this moment to give them the time they are due to reply informatively. Let me have the evening to look them over.


326 posted on 11/02/2017 1:06:28 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: SJackson

Ok, I did not get to look at all of your links, but I will focus on a few and add one to provide a quick response. I will stick with my CA/MS example.

Your link at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state states that the federal collections for CA were $400B and for MS they were $11.5B. That’s a per capita tax of just over $10K per person for CA and just under $4K per person for MS. (people in CA obviously are making higher wages)

Your link at https://taxfoundation.org/states-rely-most-federal-aid/ shows that the percentage of state budget that is federally funded is 26% for CA and 40% for MS.

Here is a link for state budget sizes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_budgets

It shows CA budget of $170 Billion (I believe today its actually north of $200B), MS budget of $6.4 Billion. From the percentage link above, that’s roughly $40B federally funded for CA and $3B federally funded for MS. But if CA return on dollar is 1 to 1, then these numbers do not jive. So CA must be getting more back than $40B. Hell, they got several billion alone just for the stupid high speed rail to nowhere project. Where did the other $350B CA got back go? Its not going to the state budget so it must be going to other give away programs that are not accounted for. So I seriously question the use of and validity of earlier percentage link. Someone is lying. I have seen other links confirming the revenue, so the return to state is bogus.

The details that are not present in any of the links include how that money comes back to the state and how it gets used. If it comes back to the state in the form of military bases, then it makes fiscal sense to have a higher per capita cash back rate in MS where the cost of living/construction/etc is much less than CA. As a federal tax payer, I get better bang for my military support buck that way.

On the other hand, if CA has 4 Million people on SNAP (I’ll bet its more) and MS has only 500K on SNAP, CA is wasting (in my mind) the federal tax dollars I had to fork over at a much higher rate. If CA didnt have 4M people including illegals on SNAP, and if CA didnt have millions of illegals bilking the school system and the emergency rooms, how much do you think the per capita return on investment from CA would increase?


366 posted on 11/02/2017 2:21:43 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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