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1 posted on 10/26/2017 9:09:20 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Kneeling could be respect or it could be submission to the flag. Howeveer, the stated reasons are other than that and not respectable or relevant to the Flag and patriotism.


2 posted on 10/26/2017 9:13:56 AM PDT by arthurus
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The fan exodus is not a ‘misunderstanding’. These former fans understand the ‘meaning’ quite well.


3 posted on 10/26/2017 9:15:18 AM PDT by Right Brother
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Freedom of protest doesn’t mean that people have to agree with you. Understanding has nothing to do with agreeing with it.


4 posted on 10/26/2017 9:16:09 AM PDT by PJBankard
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These guys are highly paid icons not just because they are good at what they do, but because people identify with them, and people think that somehow these guys represent them. Hence, the fierce rivalry and support for the home team versus the team from the next city over.

Once these guys break that illusion, that bond of loyalty is gone. I don’t think these guys are smart enough to understand that, but they will learn it and so will the team owners. Without that illusion, they are just millionaires throwing a ball around and who cares who wins.


5 posted on 10/26/2017 9:17:34 AM PDT by marron
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Lies upon lies. Kaepernick told everybody what he was doing and the rest of the kneelers were following him. They cannot change the story becuase the internet does not forget.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color,” Kaepernick told NFL Media


6 posted on 10/26/2017 9:17:36 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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“stop talking about their form of protest, and engage with what they’re trying to say.”

The only articulation of “what they’re trying to say” is something generally considered stupid & offensive (blaming police for doing something they’re not).

At this point the only apparent purpose of the protest is defending the right to protest - which is odd, because they’re paid performers contractually obligated to not embarrass themselves & team, nor otherwise do anything to piss off paying customers.


7 posted on 10/26/2017 9:19:15 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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Or agreement individually or in mass!


8 posted on 10/26/2017 9:19:46 AM PDT by Reily
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Hey Michaelson, I’m protesting too by NOT watching! Stick that in your dope pipe and smoke it you moronic imbecile!


9 posted on 10/26/2017 9:20:36 AM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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Complete B.S.

The author is like Humpty Dumpty in Alice in Wonderland.

Words and actions have meanings. You do not get to define them to what you want, any time you want.

The player are highjacking an event of respect for flag and country for political purposes. That is clear.

The obvious, objective take is this is meant to degrade respect for flag and to delegitimize the country.


10 posted on 10/26/2017 9:21:16 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Well, when the "father" of the kneeling movement, Colin Kaepernick, states that the reason behind it is that:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

That pretty much defines what is actually going on, not what some doofus thinks about trying to define it. There's not much doubt about WHY they're trying to do it, and it's not meant as respect for anything American.

11 posted on 10/26/2017 9:21:55 AM PDT by BlueLancer (ANTIFA - The new and improved SturmAbteilung)
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“What I say is more than, and less than what you hear” (and vice-versa). One of the basic rule of semantics.


12 posted on 10/26/2017 9:23:27 AM PDT by FairWitness (Everything is easy, once you've done it once)
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“Telling America what to think is our job.” The MSM


13 posted on 10/26/2017 9:24:05 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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Daily Beast columnist Jay Michaelson is unhappy with America's football fans. In a thoughtful column, he argues that "kneeling for the anthem is a sign of respect, not disrespect, for our country and the values it stands for." He adds that "To protest -- for whatever cause, left or right wing -- is to make real the best ideals of America: freedom of speech, democracy, the rule of law. Protesting brings those ideals into reality."

If they were truly wanting to show their actual belief in protesting, these entertainers should withhold themselves from the spectacle and go on strike. By choosing the use the National Anthem is this way, they are focusing on the meaning of the anthem itself, not the so-called problems within American society.

Go ahead, Sparky ... put your money where your mouth is and go on strike until the problems that you are protesting about are "solved".

15 posted on 10/26/2017 9:26:59 AM PDT by BlueLancer (ANTIFA - The new and improved SturmAbteilung)
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You are free to say and act in whatever form you choose as long as it doesn't violate the law. You do not get to dictate to me what my perception of it is. It's not what you say, it's what I hear. It's not what you present, it's how I view it. You can say that you're kneeling to protest injustice. I say you're kneeling to piss on the flag and upon every person who dons the uniform and catches bullets instead of footballs to defend it.

When the salary cap goes from nine figures to eight, they'll stand.

16 posted on 10/26/2017 9:28:22 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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"To protest -- for whatever cause, left or right wing -- is to make real the best ideals of America: freedom of speech, democracy, the rule of law. Protesting brings those ideals into reality."

I'm good with that off duty and not in the workplace, and not during the national anthem.

During the playing of the anthem is not a time to be a liberal-American or a Conservative-American; it's time to be an American. No political signs, actions, or obscene gestures of any sort are appropriate.

17 posted on 10/26/2017 9:33:19 AM PDT by libertylover (Kurt Schlicter: "They wonder why they got Trump. They are why they got Trump")
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If kneeling in the presence of the flag is a sign of 'respect'...shouldn't everyone who respects the flag kneel?

These guys don't think so...


18 posted on 10/26/2017 9:34:53 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Their “freedom to protest”, and, “freedom of speech” is what they’re using to try and defuse the colossal mess they’ve created.

While virtually no one is saying that they don’t have those “rights”, but that we - the people - don’t have to agree with what they’re saying.

Speak all you want, protest all you want, IF you’re ready to bear the consequences of those who do not agree with you. If your “free speech” is insulting to the public, then, your speech is NOT free...it’s costing you dearly.

Lower income, declining brand loyalty, and eventually, and possibly, a big crash of careers and fortunes.

The first amendment is meant for people to redress the government, it doesn’t mean that you have those rights over your private employer. It doesn’t mean that people don’t have the right to ignore, and even boycott, you.

Actions have consequences, something these pampered millionaires have not matured into. These high school antics are based on misinformation about cops, and blacks. The statistics show the opposite from their claims. It seems that every weekend death toll, in Chicago should show them SOMETHING.

The NFL is truly becoming “No Fans Left”. Even a dog is smart enough not to poop is his own bed.

If it keeps going, they’re going to be jobless, and then they’ll shout “racist” even louder because of it. They’ll swear it’s because the protestors are mostly black players. The fools can’t see that Kaepernick is killing all their cushy jobs for them.

The Bell Curve keeps on turning.


20 posted on 10/26/2017 9:40:46 AM PDT by FrankR (On the knees is not a good place to be...a man on the knees is only half a man.....)
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Oh so really Kaperdink was trying to respect America? Ok I guess I got it wrong, sorry! /sarc


22 posted on 10/26/2017 10:01:42 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington D.C. has become the enemy of free people everywhere!)
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Let’s pretend that NFL players kneeled in support of, say, prolife.

Would the league support their first amendment right to free speech? Or would they crack down on the players?

And where do they draw the 1A line? Could a white supremacist kneel for his cause?

Just wondering.


24 posted on 10/26/2017 10:22:15 AM PDT by BlueYonder
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There are many reasons for this, but the fundamental problem is that the message any audience sees and hears is often different than what the messenger meant to convey. That's true in any form of communication on any subject. Michaelson has a clear idea of what he thinks the players taking a knee are trying to say. But others hear something else entirely because we all tend to view the world through our own filters and perceptions.

What they are conveying is that using the Anthem as a tool to protest specific pet peeves is the way to go. It doesn't help that so many sports figures have been caught in lies about those same peeves...

25 posted on 10/26/2017 10:24:37 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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