Posted on 10/18/2017 5:26:20 PM PDT by Kaslin
My guess is that at a table, other people can see that there’s no touching going on. In a booth, not so much. The man is guarding against an accusation by being not only in public, but also right out in sight.
Thanks. Seems far-fetched, but I suppose that could happen.
Chastity simply means that the chaste don’t participate in extracurricular sexual relationships. Prudence is okay, but I think it’s a sad commentary that only having your wife with you can you remain chaste.
“If he can’t trust himself, why should I?”
Are you speaking of VPOTUS?
He refuses to be alone with women who are not his wife because HE does not trust WOMEN!
Has nothing at all to do with him!
Do you realize that, given all the sexual harassment charges just this year, just about any bimbo can now claim that “such-and-so” famous rich old man sexually harassed her and absolutely ruin him?
On a FReaking ACCUSATION! NO trial! NO Judge! NO Jury! NO Conviction! A FReaking ACCUSATION!
VPOTUS is a SMART man to avoid even the tiniest HINT of impropriety!
EVERY MAN IN AMERICA SHOULD BE SO SMART!
LOL!
Well played, Tax-chick!
Taxman Bravo Zulu!
Every affair begins with a baby step. If you never allow yourself to be in a situation where that first step is a possibility then you avoid the second, third, etc. I would feel loved and cherished if my husband had the same rules for himself. He sort of does, but earlier in our marriage he didn’t. No affairs, but it hurt rather than helped our marriage.
It isn’t only sexual infidelity that hurts a marriage. Just being too close to friend of the opposite sex causes you to give time and affection to that friend that should be given to your spouse.
Calvinism teaches something like this: everything we do is predetermined, including having faith in God. This means we have no free will to choose faith.
Mainstream Christianity supports the existence of free will.
Back to the discussion. Pence, like Christians in general, knows he needs to enter not into temptation. So the right conclusion is that his practice of not being alone with women shows he is among the most trustworthy.
That is to say, your suggestion about not trusting Pence is about as wrong as it could possibly be.
Calvinism believes that mankind is inherently evil, born into sin. Constantly lives in sin and any expression of free will would be sinful, unless they are constantly seeking the grace of God.
Just like other religions, there are different opinions in different Calvinist sects.
Having to have your wife with you at all times while conducting business might be practical and prudent for say Priests and Ministers, but the reasoning behind it as expressed by the OP is not what I look for in a President or somebody one heartbeat away from becoming President.
My opinion on the misgivings I have trusting entirely in Pence has more to do certain actions and observations over the campaign and 8 months spent in office than the very condescending OP.
Bottom line is, I don’t trust Pense 100% because he doesn’t trust himself 100%. That’s a heavy ball and chain to bring into the office of Presidency.
We agree we disagree, there’s no need to go further.
I travel with male co-workers all the time. It would be inappropriate and frankly, weird, to drag the spouses along.
People needs to grow the heck up.
Men also need to protect themselves from false claims.
Morality and structuring one’s life in accordance with morality go hand in hand.
Thank you. (Are we related?)
I have traveled with male-coworkers on a couple of occasions including a nearly week long trip to Toronto for software training with my new boss, the owner of the company for which I’d only been working for less than a month. I never encountered any problems. But I also wouldn’t have, even if asked, met him or any man or any woman for that matter alone in a hotel room and when dining out, would not have been comfortable or allowed a secluded table or booth. That’s just common sense.
Yes, it would be weird if they dragged their spouses along, not to mention expensive and who’s footing the bill for the spouse, the husband or the company? What about the female business person, is she supposed to bring her spouse along for trips and on business dinners or lunches – wouldn’t he presumably also have a job?
While I get the need for men (and frankly now days, women too) to be vigilant and protect themselves from temptation and from false claims, business meetings over meals, lunches or dinners and business travel is part of doing business in many professions and sometimes those professions or departments are pretty much male, a woman being the exception.
Excluding women because of a guy’s fear of his own not being able to control himself and keep it in his pants unless his wife is there to keep him “honest” or a fear that every woman is going to come on to him or make a false claim against him, excludes women from important career and career networking opportunities. It doesn’t telegraph “I respect you and my wife too much to be alone with you”, rather it telegraphs “I see you as a potential sex partner and neither trust myself or you to keep that from happening”.
FWIW, at one place I worked, in the accounting department of a pharmaceutical company, I was one of the few women in the department. One time during our annual audit, the auditors, all men, took our department out for dinner and I was the only female who went and it was great. A great meal and a great way to discuss work related issues and also a bit of opportunity to ask the auditors some questions as to how I could better manage my department from a compliance standpoint especially as SOX was just coming into play, and to discuss my career goals with the Director of Finance in a more relaxed environment that what I could have ever done in the office. And yes it would have not only been weird but also inappropriate to have spouses, including my own, there as it was a business dinner.
At this same company when my boss and his boss, the Director of Finance found out I played golf and actually played well and was serious about golf, I got invited to play in a couple of charity tournaments with them and another male co-worker and an outing with our auditors. I was the only women but never felt uncomfortable and it was actually good for my career in that it showed that I could play and knew and followed the rules and the etiquette of golf and it actually helped these men see me in another light, as someone who was competent on several layers and that we had a common interest outside of work.
But I can’t imagine being told, no you can’t come along because my wife isn’t able to come along too.
Ironically the only person to complain, to HR no less about my being allowed to play golf in company sponsored charity golf outings or invited to play golf with our auditors was a female co-worker, a very uptight Church Lady type, who wasn’t concerned by any potential or perceived immorality nor did she complain about the guys playing golf on as she said, “company time”. No, it was just me whom she complained about. She thought that if I as a woman was allowed to do this then she should be given paid time off to pursue as she said, “my hobbies too”. Needless to say her complaints were listened to and then rejected.
I would guess you don’t normally misunderstand as badly as you have in this case. But here you really did.
It’s not that he has to have his wife with him at all times while conducting business. The takeaway is that he doesn’t want to be alone with other women.
This is another point you seem to vastly misunderstand.
Pence is a step or two ahead of people who don’t understand their own human nature. He knows that all men are susceptible to the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life. In establishing barriers against temptation, he shows greater wisdom than those who think themselves 100% autonomous. The latter in fact suffer from a psychosis of sorts.
To characterize it as “Pence doesn’t trust himself,” with the connotations inherent to such a comment, is about as wrong a characterization as you could possibly make.
ABSOFREEPINGLUTELY!
It’s also protection against a lying woman
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