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NHS provokes fury with indefinite surgery ban for smokers and obese (socialized medicine)
The Telegraph ^ | 10-18-2017 | Laura Donnelly

Posted on 10/18/2017 6:37:13 AM PDT by NRx

The NHS will ban patients from surgery indefinitely unless they lose weight or quit smoking, under controversial plans drawn up in Hertfordshire.

The restrictions - thought to be the most extreme yet to be introduced by health services - immediately came under attack from the Royal College of Surgeons.

Its vice president called for an “urgent rethink” of policies which he said were “discriminatory” and went against the fundamental principles of the NHS.

In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.

But the new rules, drawn up by clinical commissioning groups (CCGs) in Hertfordshire, say that obese patients “will not get non-urgent surgery until they reduce their weight” at all, unless the circumstances are exceptional.

The criteria also mean smokers will only be referred for operations if they have stopped smoking for at least eight weeks, with such patients breathalysed before referral.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: nhs; obamacarefuture
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To: Lazamataz

Well, I’m almost 64. I take very seriously Paul’s words, “To live is Christ and to die is gain.”

But the government should not be involved in that. I should be able to purchase whatever health care I can afford without government involvement. And if I want to mitigate risk by purchasing health care INSURANCE, I should be able to do that as well, within the limits of my personal income of course. And the government should butt out there as well.


41 posted on 10/18/2017 7:34:29 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: NRx

The IRS endangers your fiscal health and can imprison you if the courts find you guilty of financial crime. An equivalent of the NHS (single payer system) endangers your life and can cause your death if a duly constituted expert panel decides that you should not be treated.

Everybody loves the IRS so they will also love a US NHS, right?


42 posted on 10/18/2017 7:39:14 AM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: americas.best.days...

I guess we’ll never know, she never got the surgery and she died. So take your pompous remarks somewhere else.


43 posted on 10/18/2017 7:44:54 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: surroundedbyblue
"I work in an operating room....it’s happening here too. Get ready."

I think it's amusing that the administrators believe they will survive...

44 posted on 10/18/2017 7:45:15 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: NRx
"Preview of coming attractions..."

Already here in the good old USA. We disguise it better under the terms of "best practices", "counter-indications", and "insurance pre-approval".

45 posted on 10/18/2017 7:52:02 AM PDT by buckalfa (Slip sliding away towards senility.)
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To: Rusty0604

What would have been the surgeon’s motivation for requiring that? Other than a better outcome.


46 posted on 10/18/2017 7:54:44 AM PDT by americas.best.days... ( Donald John Trump has pulled the sword from the stone.)
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To: americas.best.days...
Other than a better outcome.

Not Needlessly causing Suffering

Post Surgical Pain and Suffering
Why make someone Suffer if
It's not going to improve the patient’s
long term existence?

47 posted on 10/18/2017 8:03:55 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: NRx

Don’t leftists know that leftists consider fat shaming to be bad.


48 posted on 10/18/2017 8:28:04 AM PDT by pas
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To: NRx

The govt protects the food industry that sells nutrition-poor food that is heavy in calories. Then it withholds health care from the people that can’t metabolize the crappy food. Typical govt evil. It approves high fructose corn syrup and lo and behold a childhood obesity epidemic follows. They need to find more ways to punish the victims. That’ll fix everything.


49 posted on 10/18/2017 8:33:04 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: americas.best.days...

I had Kaiser for ten years and their idea of a better outcome is saving money. The doctors are not allowed to make any decisions, admitted to me even by my own doctor. But please leave me alone, as I miss my dear friend and your need to be right is not my concern.


50 posted on 10/18/2017 8:37:46 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: NRx

Ahhhh - the glories of a socialist, single-payer system.....we need us some O dat.....


51 posted on 10/18/2017 8:47:48 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: NRx

How come only in the USA are a high percentage of the poor obese?


52 posted on 10/18/2017 8:51:34 AM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem wiath socialists is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Seruzawa
The govt protects the food industry that sells nutrition-poor food that is heavy in calories. Then it withholds health care from the people that can’t metabolize the crappy food. Typical govt evil. It approves high fructose corn syrup and lo and behold a childhood obesity epidemic follows.

There's a lot to be said about this.

53 posted on 10/18/2017 8:54:23 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: NRx

50% of the average persons lifetime healthcare expenses occur in the last six months of their life.

So, we could half all healthcare cost across the board if we just killed them.

You will hear that argument soon.


54 posted on 10/18/2017 9:51:16 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Lazamataz
Therefore, kill them.

No, but allow them to live or die with the consequences of their own BEHAVIOR.

55 posted on 10/18/2017 9:58:18 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: mykroar

A panel you say? What sort of name would they give such a panel?


56 posted on 10/18/2017 10:18:32 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Repeal & replace Obamacare, tax reform, fix infrastructure, fixin military, Israel, kill enemies)
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To: Lazamataz

Whem it comes to obesity....I prefer open carry over state sponsored and licensed.


57 posted on 10/18/2017 10:24:51 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Repeal & replace Obamacare, tax reform, fix infrastructure, fixin military, Israel, kill enemies)
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To: NRx

And anyone caught shooting the King’s deer will be summarily hung by the neck until dead.


58 posted on 10/18/2017 10:34:53 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: NRx

Leave it to the Brits to screw up the Dems mid-terms chances...between this preview of single-payer, and Awan/DWTreason, the GOP will pick up seats in both houses...


59 posted on 10/18/2017 11:14:39 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Prosecute the win. Run up the score.)
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To: rey

And, “transgenders”.


60 posted on 10/18/2017 11:23:57 AM PDT by ozaukeemom (9/11/01 Never Forget. Never.)
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