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It's Official, Canada Pens Formal Letter Of Interest For Surplus Aussie F/A-18 Hornets
The Drive ^ | OCTOBER 13, 2017 | TYLER ROGOWAY

Posted on 10/14/2017 4:40:46 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

One of the strangest sagas in defense procurement over the last decade has been Canada's meandering road to a new fighter aircraft to replace, or even augment, the country's relatively small fleet of aging CF-18 Hornets. We have talked in great depth about this issue, and although the Super Hornet is clearly the right jet for Canada, a recent trade spat has made it politically unsavory for the Trudeau Administration to order even a handful of the strike fighters as a interim measure before selecting a fighter to replace the entire CF-18 fleet sometime in the future.

In the meantime, Ottawa quickly pivoted to looking for possible second-hand Hornet options to help bolster their current fleet of roughly 75 CF-18s. After seemingly leaving no stone unturned, Australia's F/A-18A/B Hornet fleet, which is nearly as old, seems to be where Canada has the best shot at attaining extra airframes without having to wait too long or go through Boeing to obtain them.

From most accounts, Australia has kept its F/A-18A/B fleet in remarkable fighting condition. These jets served as the country's only fighter for many years, and have seen action in conflict zones half way around the globe—most recently flying missions against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. But with a burgeoning Super Hornet fleet and F-35s on the way, the Aussies can probably spare some of their legacy Hornets in the near term.

Considering Canada seems to have few other options, and has now officially presented Australia with a letter of interest in acquiring some of its surplus Hornets, Ottawa isn't exactly in the best position to negotiate on price. In fact they are in a pretty damn lousy one. Time has run out on kicking the proverbial can down the road, and their current Hornet fleet needs help now if it is to survive well into the next decade. Simply put, beggars can't be choosers, and since the Trudeau Administration is willing to embargo the purchase of new Super Hornets from Boeing, Australia may be the only show in town short of acquiring an entirely different type.

Snapping up Eurofighter Typhoons or leasing Saab JAS-39 Gripens may seem like a good idea, but the cost of introducing another fighter type into the RCAF arsenal is a nonstarter considering the force's frugal budget, and especially considering yet another new type could be introduced less than a decade later after a final replacement fighter is selected. Training, support, logistical channels, tactics development, even basing requirements differ drastically from fighter to fighter and from manufacturer to manufacturer, so procuring another distinct fighter type as an interim solution isn't going to happen unless there is no other choice. In the end, Canada would be better off paying top dollar for a couple dozen Aussie CF-18s than going down such a route.

Australia originally ordered 57 F/A-18As and 18 F/A-18Bs, for a total of 75 airframes, in 1981. The vast majority of the jets were assembled in Australia. 71 are still flying today, which is pretty amazing in itself and a testament to the maintainers and pilots who worked with the fleet over the years. Australia's Hornets are also close to the same block and age as Canada's jets and have received similar upgrades throughout the years.

The plan is for the Australian Hornet fleet to be divested as a near equal number of F-35As—72 at this time but that number could grow—come online. The process that should be completed by 2023 with initial operating capability (IOC) slated for 2020.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE

The first two Australian F-35As fly alongside an RAAF CF-18A, the same aircraft the Joint Strike Fighters are intended to replace.

It will be interesting to see what type of deal terms Australia replies to Canada with for their used Hornets. The force could likely afford to lose a dozen of the jets in the very near term, and then more as F-35 deliveries continue and IOC approaches, although RAAF will still have to mitigate its risk to some degree in regards to the F-35 timeline. But after the F-35A's IOC is achieved in 2020, the Australian legacy Hornet fleet will likely dwindle rapidly.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE

Bombed up RAAF F/A-18A ready to take on ISIS. Australia's Hornets have received upgrades over the years that are very similar to those introduced by the Royal Canadian Air Force.

Who knows, maybe Australia will reply with an "all or nothing" proposition, in which the buyer has to take the whole fleet or none. Either way, if Canada receives dozens of ex-RAAF F/A-18s they should be able to spread flying hours around a larger fleet and have plenty of spares to lessen operating costs and increase aircraft availability rates. This, paired with further upgrades and a service life extension program on some of their existing aircraft, could push out the need for a replacement fighter purchase into the latter half of the 2020s, if not the early 2030s.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; canada; fa18; hornet

1 posted on 10/14/2017 4:40:46 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
This article fails to even mention Australia's fleet of Super Hornets, and makes it sound as if the F/A-18A/B is their only current fighter, and the F-35 will be their only replacement.

When Australia retired their F-111s they should have bought F-15Es as their replacement, and replaced their Hornets with Super Hornets. Did they not learn when they bought the F-111 off the drawing board and had to fly interim F-4s until the F-111 was ready years late?

It's deja vu all over again for the Aussie F-35...

2 posted on 10/14/2017 5:12:17 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
“since the Trudeau Administration is willing to embargo the purchase of new Super Hornets from Boeing”

Related:

U.K. gov’t backs Bombardier in fight with Boeing

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/u-k-gov-t-backs-bombardier-in-fight-with-boeing-1.3585908

U.K. gov’t backs Bombardier in fight with Boeing

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/u-k-gov-t-backs-bombardier-in-fight-with-boeing-1.3585908

U.K. gov’t backs Bombardier in fight with Boeing

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/u-k-gov-t-backs-bombardier-in-fight-with-boeing-1.3585908

note: I absolutely hate the website where they are linked. 22 java scripts running and will not display the page unless all 22 are running.

3 posted on 10/14/2017 5:13:34 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: sukhoi-30mki

One of the reasons military hardware is so expensive is the political, social and green costs that go with every contract. Political means crony capitalism; you will use this company in my state/district, which means they can charge anything they want for the product. This is because of votes, support, kickbacks and simply the power to make something happen that nobody can undo. Social costs are things like, you will maintain a diversity program, you will have pro-gay policies and hire gay people, you will donate x amount of employee time to (fill in blank.) Green is when the contract tells you, as the FCS contract told my company, not only will you not use any chromium or cadmium coatings, you will not use any product made by a company that even uses those elements in their other processes. You will generate x amount of your power from biofuels or will provide a biofuel subsidy set-aside for others. (The green list actually goes on for about two pages in some contracts. Each item adds expense and they mostly degrade the reliability of the final purchased product.)

Without things like this a country like Canada could manufacture its own fighter aircraft.


4 posted on 10/14/2017 5:17:24 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: sukhoi-30mki

sorry for the duplicate link in my post.

I intended to post this link at the site, but found after I posted I had been unable to access the link because of my setting.

“CTV National News: Trouble in the sky?”


5 posted on 10/14/2017 5:29:24 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

The last time we bought used military equipment it was some diesel subs that the Brits were disposing of because of faulty design and poor manufacture. Sadly it cost the life of one sailor and the Candian taxpayers billions to refurbish the junk subs. The program is still bleeding money and the amount of actual operational time has been minimal.


6 posted on 10/14/2017 5:34:57 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: littleharbour

This appears to not be about what is sane, good business practices and good design. It is about liberal politics?


7 posted on 10/14/2017 5:41:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Gen.Blather

I’m going to disagree with you just a little. I spend quite a lot of time in Canada and at least 51% of that time is spent talking to “locals” of all stripes from truck drivers to moderate sized business owners to bartenders, cocktail waitresses, boat mechanics and on and on.

I can honestly say that I’ve not found one Canadian in the past decade that gives a damn about ANYTHING military. Until a million Russians or Chinese start marching down the highways of Western Canada, they won’t either.

They do care about their “FREE” healthcare and laugh at “The States” f’d up plans that cost so much. When I remind that most Canadian’s in dire need of an operation or specialist care go south...........they ask the bartender for another beer and turn around and look out the window!

And, when I point out that I just paid seven dollars a gallon for a few gallons of gas they shrug and say “I don’t need much gas”. I then laugh (to a guy named Michael) and say “yeah, I just helped your company pay for it’s FREE healthcare”. Michael smiled.


8 posted on 10/14/2017 7:52:10 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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