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Spain Didn’t Commit Any Genocide in America: What It Did Was to End One
http://www.outono.net ^ | October 12, 2017

Posted on 10/13/2017 12:20:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

....the historical reality is far from the famous “black legend” created by British and Dutch and today promoted by far-leftists. The historical facts make clear that it is not possible to speak, even remotely, of a Spanish genocide in America, and when I say “genocide” I refer to the definition of the same made by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court in its Article 6:

For the purpose of this Statute, “genocide” means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Spanish laws protecting indigenous people

The far-left today alleges that Spain set out to annihilate the Indians, an absurd claim. Remember that in 1512, when the first news of mistreatment of the Indians, King Fernando II signed the Laws of Burgos that considered Indians “free men” and the obligation to pay them a fair wage for their work. In 1542 the Emperor Carlos V dictated the New Laws, which expressly prohibited the submission of Indians to slavery and forced labor. To this we must add that between the Spanish population and the Indians there was a great miscegenation, even among the nobles. On the contrary, in British North America, the miscegenation between colonists and Indians was almost non-existent, and the Indians were robbed of their lands and confined to reservations, which did not occur in Spanish America.

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To: robroys woman

There are a couple of theories involving DeSoto’s Journey.

The first is that he and his men spread euro disease across the south.

The second is that the herd of pigs that DeSoto drove along with him infected the native deer population with disease which spread and wiped out the main native protein source.

There is a 100+ year gap between the numbers of inhabitants observed by DeSoto and those reported by the first French voyagers who penetrated the interior of the continent.

100 years later there were far fewer natives.


21 posted on 10/13/2017 1:17:57 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Two scoops, two genders, two terms. Get used to it.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Never mind that — the narrative uber alles.


22 posted on 10/13/2017 1:18:34 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Only their self-aggrandizement matters.)
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To: dowcaet

You never heard of Lord Hernán Cortés, Duke of Tenochtitlan?


23 posted on 10/13/2017 1:21:49 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Two scoops, two genders, two terms. Get used to it.)
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To: married21

There’s an area of Peru that is so remote it was never fully conquered by either the Incas or Spanish.

Great cultural video about the Christmas Day town fight that lets everyone vent their frustrations against each other.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/avnexa/takanakuy-part-1


24 posted on 10/13/2017 1:25:15 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Two scoops, two genders, two terms. Get used to it.)
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To: Socon-Econ
'Our North American ancestors did not see themselves as stealing land that they cleared and planted at great cost, using their superior tools, just because some Indian hunting parties occasionally passed through it. If you want a good example of theft, consider what happened when the Normans conquered England in 1066 and made serfs out of the entire indigenous population.'

All for naught. We now all live on the giant Indian reservation. Where we pay taxes, have no private property, regulations and forced obey the rulers appointed over us.

25 posted on 10/13/2017 1:36:01 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: NKP_Vet

Interesting.


26 posted on 10/13/2017 1:41:43 PM PDT by Jaded (Pope Francis? Not really a fan... miss the last guy who recognized how Islam spread... the sword.ag)
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To: NKP_Vet

All I hear is that Americans set out to destroy the indians. I never hear about the Spanish.


27 posted on 10/13/2017 1:42:22 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: ptsal

The extermination of native people in Argentina did NOT occur under the Spanish government.


28 posted on 10/13/2017 1:58:46 PM PDT by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: Rebelbase
the Christmas Day town fight that lets everyone vent their frustrations against each other.

So this ancient culture has "the airing of grievances." But that's Festivus, not Christmas!

Festivus - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus

29 posted on 10/13/2017 1:59:07 PM PDT by free-in-nyc (Freeping from the heart of the occupation)
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To: sparklite2

Yeah. Like the burning of monastaries and their libraries by Cromwell in England, or the destruction of pagan documents and temples by Christians at the end of the Roman Empire or the continuing destruction of historical relics, buildings and sites by Islamic fanatics.


30 posted on 10/13/2017 2:00:15 PM PDT by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: robroys woman
It isn't clear that the Vikings made it as far south as New England. I read once that a Norwegian coin was found at an Indian archaeological site in Maine (13th or 14th century, I forget which), but perhaps it got there by trade with other Indians closer to Newfoundland.

The English claim to the New World, like Spain's, was because of an Italian seafarer.

31 posted on 10/13/2017 2:02:23 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ZULU; sparklite2

If you try, I think you’ll be able to add a more recent example, from closer to home.


32 posted on 10/13/2017 2:05:04 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: NKP_Vet

Explain that to the Maya!


33 posted on 10/13/2017 2:08:28 PM PDT by Lockbox
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To: free-in-nyc
Oops - correct link I hope - Festivus - Wikipedia
34 posted on 10/13/2017 2:08:57 PM PDT by free-in-nyc (Freeping from the heart of the occupation)
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To: robroys woman

Re: “...it’s possible that the Vikings brought that plague with them. Just a thought.”

It’s possible the Vikings encountered indigenous people in Greenland or Iceland, but I can’t recall ever reading about that.

However, as far as I know, there are no written records at all of Viking interaction with the native population in northeast Canada.

As I recall, two Viking settlements in Labrador have been excavated, and no locally made artifacts were found in either one.

Personally, I have always been very skeptical that 90%-95% of indigenous Americans were killed by European diseases.

If true, such a death rate, ranging across millions of square miles, has no equal in the 3,000 years of medical history in the Old World.

It is likely that the Great Plagues of Europe, which may have killed up to 25% of the population, were imported from Asia.

However, in Asia, those same plagues killed less than 5% of the population.

Weather, and famine, often played a vital part in plagues.

People who are cold and hungry die at a much higher rate.

I can’t recall any Great Plagues sweeping through central and southern Africa, and I assume that warmer weather, plus better record keeping by the European slave traders, might be the reason that did not happen.


35 posted on 10/13/2017 2:17:03 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: robroys woman
And if that is actually true, it’s possible that the Vikings brought that plague with them. Just a thought.

The Will of Odin, I guess.

36 posted on 10/13/2017 2:39:35 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: NKP_Vet
If I have my history right, the Caribe left Bolivia and Venezuela to the Caribbean islands because the diseases brought by the Spanish worked with amazing speed to decimate the populations.
37 posted on 10/13/2017 3:13:13 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Jeff Chandler

My understand is the revolutions in Latin America against the crown were orchestrated by the elites of those societies. They never had any intention of including the little people into their rebellions.


38 posted on 10/13/2017 3:15:06 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: dowcaet

I’m a bit skeptical like you about this article.


39 posted on 10/13/2017 3:15:59 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: free-in-nyc
You are right! In Peru Festivus must translate into: Takanakuy.
40 posted on 10/13/2017 3:17:58 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Two scoops, two genders, two terms. Get used to it.)
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