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Heros and Zeros: Vegas
The Market Ticker ^ | October 10, 2017 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 10/12/2017 11:03:07 PM PDT by JME_FAN

Time to call out a few, given that Reuters is making excuses (big shock).

I'll start with the heroes. Among them was the unarmed hotel security guy who attempted to interdict the shooter but could not get through the door because the shooter had driven screws into the frame. He took a round to the leg when the shooter blindly emptied a mag through the door of the suite but he'll be ok.

Next up is the ex-service member who stole a truck and used it to transport injured people out of the kill zone. If they prosecute that guy, and you know they're thinking about it, everyone involved in attempting to do so needs to hang from a public gallows in the middle of the Las Vegas strip. ...

Not far behind that guy are the multiple reports of others, some active duty service members on leave, some off-duty officers and others who are just ordinary people, who ...

There are undoubtedly many more than can be readily identified who took similar actions.

They're heroes. All of them.

Now let's talk about the zeros and be prepared to get pissed off.

VERY pissed off.

(Excerpt) Read more at market-ticker.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: denninger; paddock; police; swat; ticker; vegas
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Hey, FReepers - You really do need to read this!
1 posted on 10/12/2017 11:03:07 PM PDT by JME_FAN
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To: JME_FAN

Yes, LEOs are not trained to save people anymore. They are trained to survive. They are trained to NOT BE HEROES. That is a FACT. A hero, knowing that people were being shot like fish in the proverbial barrel, would have pushed forward until the killer was stopped. The security state is incestuous and will defend itself. Listen as they first and foremost hail each other at every press conference. . “You da man!” “No, you da man!” “No! You da man!”
And as for Jason Aldean. He was scum even before he ran off stage and jumped into his bodyguard’s arms no doubt crying like a little girl.


2 posted on 10/12/2017 11:18:00 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

"...he was scum before he ran offstage..."


Why would someone remain standing motionless in an exposed area under those terrible circumstances?

3 posted on 10/12/2017 11:53:12 PM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: Blue Jays

He could very easily have announced the danger to the crowd. . even as he ran.


4 posted on 10/13/2017 12:42:55 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

Stages are inherently the most exposed part of a concert venue, with lights all pointing to the entertainers gathered in one well-defined area. For all he knew, he was the target. Why wouldn’t he do what any normal human being would do?


5 posted on 10/13/2017 12:48:10 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: JME_FAN

Denninger is chronically pissed off. His outrage is tiresome. He is just so negative.


6 posted on 10/13/2017 1:00:55 AM PDT by bkopto
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To: JME_FAN

well, back up just a second:

MGM Says the Las Vegas Gunman Fired on Security Guard and the Crowd at About the Same Time
(armed security responded with the police, shooting started within 40 seconds, not 6 minutes)

http://fortune.com/2017/10/12/las-vegas-shooting-gunman-timeline-mgm/


7 posted on 10/13/2017 1:04:59 AM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: JME_FAN

A person wanting a room overlooking a concert could just as easily been someone who wanted to hear the music without being down in the crowd. Not really all that odd.

Whether or not the shooter was still shooting, the SWAT team still had to clear the floor in case there was an ambush waiting for them in some of the rooms.

As far as police shooting up into a 32nd floor window, bullets shot up into the air tend to come down if they don’t get embedded in something first. Or ricochet. Then people they’re trying to save get hurt or killed by police bullets.


8 posted on 10/13/2017 1:11:49 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr

Aldean is a creep, before and after Las Vegas.


9 posted on 10/13/2017 1:43:59 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: JME_FAN

There are many disputed “facts” in this OP. Campos may or may not be the hero of the day. Time will tell and there will be a new timeline released today.


10 posted on 10/13/2017 1:50:44 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

Clearly you have some sort of personal vendetta against Aldean. I notice you don’t accuse the thousands of spectators that ran of being cowards. Or, the other members of his group. Let us know how Aldean offended you.

BTW, I never heard of Aldean prior to this.


11 posted on 10/13/2017 4:45:24 AM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: mad_as_he$$

so if it wasn’t Campos, who shot Paddock ???


12 posted on 10/13/2017 5:25:11 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: JME_FAN
It's easy to call individuals under fire cowards when one is far from harm, sitting comfortably in front of a keyboard. Too much of what's criticized in this piece is based on facts learned after the shooting stopped. There are a couple good points in there, but mostly it's blaming all but the shooter.
13 posted on 10/13/2017 5:54:06 AM PDT by xander (TRUMPing nonsense with common sense)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Paddock shot himself.


14 posted on 10/13/2017 5:58:48 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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To: raybbr

"...Let us know how Aldean offended you..."


Exactly. This poster has some sort of peculiar beef with the guy.
I similarly have only a vague knowledge of this singer.


15 posted on 10/13/2017 6:32:05 AM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: raybbr

He threw his family under the bus right after using them to appeal to country fans.


16 posted on 10/13/2017 6:44:03 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: bkopto

Does that make him wrong?


17 posted on 10/13/2017 7:02:18 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: JME_FAN
I was recently advised that hero is defined as someone who is fool-hearty ..
suckers
18 posted on 10/13/2017 7:08:47 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (>> M A G A << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

So, that means he’s a coward because ran from someone shooting hundreds of rounds towards him?


19 posted on 10/13/2017 7:47:26 AM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: raybbr

It means that he’s a putz. Even after he was offstage he could have warned the fans. It’s just funny to see a radio Rambo run even as most of the great unwashed waited, huddled like helpless children at his venue. Badass bro country? Not.


20 posted on 10/13/2017 8:41:02 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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