Posted on 10/08/2017 7:53:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
While working on another study this afternoon, I stumbled across some figures that might be enlightening to others. It was surprising to me.
You see, I'm a member of a very special group. Born white, male, and over 65 years of age, I'm guilty of white Privilege, (according to some people).
Yes, I am hanging my head in shame, moving it from side to side. ( /s ) How did I ever sink to this level? Clearly there is a problem. (Or is there?) Can I ever atone for this? Can you?
Our white youth are considered to have an unfair advantage. Nobody else gets the breaks they do. Why it's a national scandal (and again, this according to some people).
Well, I stumbled across a CDC report on Suicides in the 18 to 24 age group. The study was worked up for 2012 & 2013. Here is what the CDC reported out.
As strange as it may seem, it seems to indicate there's a possibility that white males in that group may not be so privileged after all.
In this study, five groups were quantified by suicide rates. Male vs Female figures were provided, so there are ten interesting figures available to you here. I provide some of my own for comparsions.
Non-hispanic Whites
Non-hispanic Blacks
Hispanics
Asian or Pacific Islander
American Indian or Alaskan Native
On a side note, isn't it interesting they can't talk about Whites or Blacks anymore without specifying they aren't Hispanic. Wouldn't you think they might realize we'd know what they are talking about without that "Non-hispanic" tossed in. If they thought they needed to explain, they could have made a foot note. No, whites and blacks are no longer groups that can be discussed without mentioning their relationship to what the CDC must consider the Superior Race.
Shouldn't they reference the Non-Hispanic Asian or Non-Hispanic Pacific Islanders? How about the Non-hispanic American Indians or the Non-hispanic Alaskan Natives? How insulting can the CDC get, not mentioning Non-hispanic once, in relation to these groups? The CDC should be ashamed.
I realize there's some overlap on the racial map. I'm not a complete dolt. There's been no special notification of it by mail though. It hasn't been printed in the local paper three times, unless I missed it. So the "dolt" clarification may be warranted for Whites, it still isn't official. An this should be addressed as a foot-note.
I am Caucasion. I am white. If you wish to talk about other people's afiliation, explain what you mean when you address them.
I am part of the dominant race in the United States, and chosing to sub-categorize the dominant race is just idiotic. It's also incredibly insulting to blacks, to not be able to address them without bringing hispanics into it. Good grief.
Here are the numbers the CDC pointed out. (remember the age group 18-24 and the reporting period is 2012 & 2013) Graph source Page (Raw figures also provided below)
Whites have it so much better than others ( /s ), so keep that in mind as you study the figures of "the oppressed" and how they compare to white males (in particular). You know, the most priviledged of us all. (cough cough)
(clicking the graph link at some point is a good idea, because it reveals the relationships more clearly)
Figures are reported in insidents per 100,000 (I will be using leading zeros to keep the columnes straight)
On the right will be figures in red. Those figures will be the comparitive death rates of white males compared to the figures on the left. Green comparitive figures will reveal the death rates of the males compared to the females in the sub-group.
Again: Red comparision white male deaths compared to the deaths addressed on the left
Again: Green comparison of males in sub-group deaths to females in same sub-group
Whites:
24.8 Males 100.00%
05.5 Females 450.91% 450.91%
Blacks:
14.7 Males 168.71%
03.1 Females 800.00% 474.19%
Hispanics:
12.9 Males 192.25%
03.2 Females 475.00% 403.13%
Asian & Pacific Islanders:
13.0 Males 190.77%
05.0 Females 476.92% 250.00%
Ameircan Indians & Alaskan Natives
34.3 Males 72.30%
09.9 Females 250.51% 346.46%
Shouldn't the male suicide rates of the privileged class be the lowest of any male group? I mean, they have it made. They have no worries, and there are supposedly no problems in life for them. ( /s )
Shouldn't the death rate for males be much lower in each group compared to females? I mean, after all, males have it better than the women do in every segment of our society don't they?
Look at those numbers folks. In the 18 to 24 segment during 2012 & 2013, white males committed suicide in numbers that ranged from 168.71% more on the low end to 800.00% more on the high end. (one exception to addressed later on)
White men in this age group commit suicide 800% more than Black women. White men even commited suicide at a rate 168.71% higher than black men.
As for women who claim men in each group have it better than them, look at the comparison figures in green. Then pay close attention to how the white men's numbers compare.
White men commit suicide at a much higher rate in every category but one. That would be the males in the American Indian & Alaskan Native category. I don't want to see any deaths in that category. AIAN males die at a rate that is 138.31% higher than white (males), 233.33% higher than black (males), and 265.89% higher than hispanics (males). (I would like to see what things can be done to change this through outreach and helping hand methods. I don't want to see a big government fix. In fact, this is what I would hope for in each category.)
Expressing these thoughts about AIAN males, I also want to touch on the reason for their inclusion. It's my take that the numbers in this group make them statistically meaningless, however,... they do have one purpose here. AIAN males are estimated (by me) to be roughly 0.4% or our populace. Source data So although there is clearly a problem there that needs addressing, posting those figures with other groups who represent roughly 65%, 15%, and 12% of our populace may be statistically misleading.
White males make up roughly 31% of our populace Graph source Page, roughly 98,983,000 of 318.6 million citizens in 2014 LINK. Compare that to 0.4% of our populace, (approximately) just 1,274,000. Which group has the largest number of suicides per year? Clearly the white male segment of our populace has exponenetially more deaths by suicide each year. Where suicide is the topic, every group needs to be addressed, so that reasoned measures can be considered for lessening them. And in that, it was useful to include the AIAN numbers.
Where racial minorities or even gender considerations are made, it's simply undeniable that whites in this age group have problems. Life isn't just a bown of cherries for them. They have stresses few think about, and I'm not convinced there are resources out there, or that they are trained to access them like other groups are. White males are essentially the lone rangers these days, adrift in too many isntances.
A number of entities are now openly trashing them. One political party seems to hate them. Some folks openly talk of them crawling off somewhere and dying. And no, they aren't kidding.
In light of this, not only should it be obvious that the destructive rhetoric needs to be toned down, to prevent these statistics from getting worse for white males, but also for the fact that truth should be revealed. Good luck with what that.
Well yes, but not for that reason. LOL
None of us think all them Hispanic’s are alike. I don’t think of them as a race either. However, it sure seems like the people who came up with these five groups do. Maybe you should educate them.
I use the term because it would be wrong to mention Mexicans every time I address a certain body of people made up of Mexicans and other people from a number of different nations. I don’t mean it in a derogatory way.
The media, the government, and others refer to Hispanics constantly when referencing groups from Mexico and various Central and South American nations.
What is it with some people who think they are the only people on the planet who know some things? You don’t think folks know what you’ve written there?
As for using the word “spiks”, you seem to be going out of your way to cast dispersions. I’ve never used it in my life. I don’t anyone who has.
I agree with this.
I will say, I just fired of a post to you. If I misinterpreted your message, please explain. I didn’t know how else to take it.
While it is true that the white male comparisons are 165 to 195% (or so) when compared to other males, it’s also true that white males compared to black females is 8 to 1. Yes, that’s 800% white male deaths compared to black females.
Of course that is the most extreme case, but it’s still reasoned to point it out. Here’s why.
For every person who actually goes through with it, there are probably 50 or more who have the idea pop into their head. Many try it, and are not successful also.
The hard core numbers may not be that large, but it is significant. There is a problem.
If black females were committing suicide at a rate of 8 to 1 compared to white males, how many seconds do you think that would remain a secret before special commissions were set up to find out what was wrong?
Good one,... yes I did word that terribly.
Well, that could be part of it.
You are actually calculating your percentage comparisons wrong.
For instance, the white male rate is 24.8 - The Hispanic male rate is 12.9 - The difference is 11.9.
11.9 is just 92% of 12.9, so the white male rate is only 92% higher than the Hispanic rate. You state it is 192%, which is not correct.
Same thing for female Blacks to male whites. It should be 700%, not 800%.
As to female suicides, they are always much lower than male suicides, for all ethnic groups.
Once again, I don't want to trivialize any suicide. All of them are tragic, and, according to many religions, they are unforgivable sins.
However, the total numbers really are quite small.
Among healthy adults over age 24, the rate is just 1 per 10,000.
Also, among healthy adults, almost every suicide falls into one of three categories: drug or alcohol addiction; schizophrenia or clinical depression; or a family history of suicide.
Among the young, the main cause is impulsive action often preceded by a highly emotional event.
Among the elderly, the main cause is poor health or the death of a spouse or a best friend.
I think you may agree that preventing the motives for suicide in all age groups is a really tough problem.
I will guess that religious faith, a loving spouse, strong families, meaningful work, and perhaps most important - molecular biology - prevent most people from even thinking about suicide.
Okay, thanks for the correction.
I don’t generally call illegal aliens wetbacks, but it is a term that has been around for a long time, and it plays into the idea these folks either physically or ideologically pass through the Rio Grande on their way into our nation. I don’t particularly see it as any more offensive than illegal alien, which is what I address them as.
I agree that “spik” is an old term. If I’ve heard folks use it more than a half dozen times in my life, it would surprise me.
I have a sister-in-law that has Mexican ancestry. I had a wife who had Mexican ancestry. I’ve met their extended families and liked them very much. I do no look at Mexicans as evil people. There are some great little towns in Mexico with some real salt of the earth people in them.
Many of them are good Catholics and try to live a good Christian life. I am not a big fan of their government, and it angers me how little it seems to care about the standard of living of it’s people.
When it comes to illegal aliens though, the law is the law. If they did not comply with our immigration laws, it’s their problem, not ours when it comes to dealing with the consequences.
I agree that the Left tries to game the races, for political gain. I consider that pure evil.
I advocate our side address the same issues for foreign nationals that they do for citizens.
Safer neighborhoods
Less crime
Good education system for children
Less taxes on families
Our laws to be equally enforced on everyone
Helping businesses create jobs by implementing good tax law
There are more, but you get my drift.
It's actually much simpler than that.
Even before accomplishment, "white privilege" means "white work ethic."
That's why it's an attempt to turn the language around from "acting white," which was black-on-black peer pressure to under-perform, into "white privilege," which makes the under-performers into victims.
-PJ
Re: “I tried to be careful NOT TO reference it as 192% higher. I may have slipped up a time or two.”
You used the word “higher” five times and the word “more” four times.
In any event, why would you express yourself like this: “24.8 is 192% of 12.9.”
If both rates were 12.9, would you write “12.9 is 100% of 12.9.”
Of course not. 100% is just 1.0 times any number you want to multiple. You would just say they were the “same rate.”
As for the rest of your Comments, I return to my original thesis:
The risk that any human being will even attempt suicide in his/her lifetime is less than one percent.
The only way we can significantly reduce that already tiny number is to savagely attack personal liberty...
Confiscate all guns, confiscate all alcohol, prohibit all pain medication, incarcerate everyone who shows signs of mental illness or personal grief...
The list is endless.
Anyone who read that post could see the raw numbers for themselves.
I don’t care if you like how I posted this or not.
I suspect you have the tools to grasp what was presented, and I think the other folks do too.
If you don’t, well..., not my problem.
You trailing comments about stopping suicides once again addresses something I never addressed, or even remotely suggested.
Where did you get the idea I was advocating gun control?
Good grief.
In any event, why would you express yourself like this: “24.8 is 192% of 12.9.”
Well, because it is.
Yikes, this has been hard for you hasn’t it.
Yes I did refer improperly to them being 192% more. That was not appropriate.
With the raw figures there, I’m pretty sure most folks would be able to gleen the truth of it from the post.
If not, well, I’m not sure my using the proper terms would have helped.
I call it the “WASP culture”; I’m not a WASP, but I understand how that culture contributed to most of our advancements.
“Spik” is originally from the repeated phrase, “I no spik English.”
My naamme, is Jose Imanes...
Jose Jimenez.
Yes, when I was typing that it didn’t look right.
Thanks.
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