One thing that I have always adored about Free republic is the vast quantity of thoughtful and informed analysis and information about a multiplicity of subjects. I am EXTREMELY disappointed about much of the bumpfire stock controversy. Much of it sounds has though it was promulgated by the ignorant gun grabbing left.
I am a 2 tour Vietnam infantry combat veteran, and a member of the Illinois National guard for 26 years, to include service in Iraq and the first Gulf War. I was a certified Illinois State Police Firearms and Defensive tactics instructor, and a member of Special Reaction and SWAT teams. I have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds through automatic weapons of all types, belt fed and shoulder mounted, ranging from .45 caliber M-3 sub machine guns up to M2A1 40 mm twin anti-aircraft guns mounted on an M-42 self propelled anti-aircraft gun.
I am retired and spend one day a month on the rifle range shooting my AR-15 rifles. When this slide fire device was first introduced, the low cost and novelty intrigued me and I purchased one. It was a bit awkward to use at first, but in one afternoon, after a bit of practice I was able to get 90% of any length burst on a man sized target at 75 yards, which is close to the normal engagement ranges for truly effective full auto fire from shoulder mounted weapons. It is not as useful has a true selective fire assault rifle since it requires two hands to employ, but it DOES have some measure of limited tactical utility for anyone who practices with it. I never really considered this item to be a true tactical instrument, but I did appreciate the ingenuity and thought that went into turning “bump fire’ into almost as accurate a technique has I could use with a true select fire assault rifle.
The battle has been joined. The anti-gun hysterics are in full cry. They will never satisfied until they achieve near total firearm confiscation. The genie is out of the bottle. You cannot stop psychopaths employing bump fire methods unless you can repeal the laws of Newtonian physics. I realize that some sort of regulation will ensue in the wake of this horrific atrocity. But i don’t like it one damn bit.
If they do this, then they should compromise by repealing the 1986 Hughes Act which caused the prices of full auto weapons to skyrocket. There is NO REASON for a legally transferable M-16 to cost over 50,000 dollars. You can be assured that any such owner will be thoroughly vetted by the background check that would be required to purchase one.
I concur with your assessment , re slidefire stocks. I’ve had them since they were first introduced, on different platforms, AR/AK and have had about the same results as you did, re: accuracy. The people on this forum now calling for Government action, quite frankly make me sick.
99.999% of people talking about it and 99.99999999% of legislators know what a “bump stock” is.
I had a GREAT primer on the Rick Roberts (WBAP Dallas) show yesterday and today.
If someone wanted to jury rig one with a spring, some hooks, etc. they cold do so outside of the USA and sell them no problem.
Outlawing bump stocks is like outlawing brodie knobs.
It will give all congress critters a feel good piece to hang their hats on. And in this day and age of injection molding and 3D printing, it will do absolutely nothing.
NRA’s actual statement
Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations
“...75 yards, which is close to the normal engagement ranges for truly effective full auto fire from shoulder mounted weapons. ...”
Huzzah.
Heard many who were there, and some other knowledgeable sources, say 75m is about the max effective range for full-auto fire from a shoulder weapon - any shoulder weapon. Thanks for the confirmation.
DMZFrank is the truest of True Americans. Can’t thank him enough for being there when guys like me were not yet old enough to sign on the dotted line. I did get old enough, I did sign, performed a great many duties, learned a great many truths, and was rewarded. But the highest privilege of all was serving in the same military establishment DMZFrank did.