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India Wants to Match China’s Mountain Tank
War is Boring ^ | September 12, 2017 | Robert Beckhusen

Posted on 09/12/2017 6:09:43 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

The Indian Army is in the early planning stages for a new light tank capable of traversing the rugged conditions of India’s mountainous northern borders. A directive from the Army setting requirements for the machine comes soon after China tested its own mountain tank in Tibet.

India and China have long-running border disputes at Aksai Chin in India’s northwest and Arunachal Pradesh in the northeast. In June 2017, a standoff ensued at Doklam, near Bhutan, when Chinese troops with construction machinery moved into a disputed territory to extend a road. Indian troops arrived and both sides faced off, and both withdrew in late August.

One mutual disadvantage India and China face is a paucity of railroads heading toward the frontier, although China has a terminal as far southwards as Lhasa, Tibet, some 180 miles away from Doklam. Freight trains vastly simplify the logistics of moving tanks and their supporting vehicles. Both countries are trying to fast-track rail construction closer to their borders — but share no direct rail connections between them.

In any case, main battle tanks perform poorly in mountains, which limit their room to maneuver and restrict their angles of fire, strain their engines on steep inclines while further burdening a tank army’s demanding logistical backbone.

At the same time, mountains give more places for infantry to hide from tanks, isolating them — generally speaking, tanks are at their most effective when employed en masse in open country — and then striking at weak points in their armor from above.

India’s border disputes. Illustration via Wikimedia

To be sure, India has a sizable tank army with more than 1,600 T-90s and 2,400 T-72s, plus 118 — and rising — domestically-designed Arjuns. While India would love to have the ability to send these in huge numbers to its northern borders, their military utility is limited compared to rapidly-deployable lighter tanks.

India has developed a light “tank” for mountain fighting before. In the 1980s, India’s defense research agency produced the DRDO, which combined the chassis from a BMP infantry fighting vehicle with a French GIAT TS-90 turret equipped with a 105-millimeter gun.

The machine’s trials continued into the 1990s, but it never entered into service.

Above — China’s ZTQ light tank. Photo via Chinese Internet

India wants its new light tank to weigh around 22 tons — slightly heavier than the U.S. Army’s Stryker’s Mobile Gun System variant which has a 105-millimeter cannon. This means New Delhi’s future tank should be light enough to lift inside the Indian Air Force’s Il-76MD, C-17 and C-130J transport planes. It’ll probably be too heavy to air-drop with a parachute, however.

The Indian Army also wants its new tanks to operate at 3,000 meters above sea level and engage targets from 2,000 meters away with a main gun and anti-tank missiles, according to Defense News.

China is ahead of India here. The former’s 35-ton ZTQ light tank — or Xinqingtan — showed up for testing in Tibet in June 2017 and first appeared all the way back in 2010. This machine packs an autoloading 105-millimeter gun, a 35-millimeter grenade launcher and a 12.7-millimeter gun. China reportedly wants to field as many as 300 ZTQs. The design appears to be a smaller version of the MBT3000, a Chinese-made tank derived from the T-90.

Which is to demonstrate that China takes its mountain-fighting needs seriously. The ZTQ might be underpowered everywhere else, but it gives Beijing added punch in a potential, future border war on its periphery — which may be the most likely conflict China will face. No wonder India is trying to catch up.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; india; lighttank; mbt

India's early attempt at a light tank

1 posted on 09/12/2017 6:09:43 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So will Ta-Ta build a Tank-Tank?


2 posted on 09/12/2017 6:10:39 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bring back the AMX-13.


3 posted on 09/12/2017 6:12:25 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I think Brazil or Argentina make one


4 posted on 09/12/2017 6:14:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Tanks are ridiculously expensive now for what you get. They have inherent vulnerabilities and a light tank, more so. I’d recommend they try a technological leapfrog and design a remotely controlled/AI device to deliver the same ordinance. It would be cheaper, smaller and harder to kill despite being less armored. Yes, it would have vulnerabilities, but India will never match China in money or building capacity.


5 posted on 09/12/2017 6:16:01 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Indian Army is in the early planning stages for a new light tank capable of traversing the rugged conditions of India’s mountainous northern borders.

Which means a prototype might actually get built sometime around 2030, and some early, flawed production models might get deployed sometime around around 2050. By that time, India's "rugged mountainous norther borders" might be 200 miles inside occupied Chinese territory.

India needs to decide whether it's serious about defending itself against China or not. If it is, it'll start expediting the purchase of the hardware it needs from the US and Western Europe. If it's not, it'll keep doing what it's doing - the acquisition of a few French Rafales took decades and didn't come close to fulfilling their needs. China is an expansionist power - its neighbors can either arm themselves or they can knuckle under. India's running out of time and territory.
6 posted on 09/12/2017 6:25:12 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Gen.Blather

The heyday of the tank passed a long time ago.


7 posted on 09/12/2017 6:46:18 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Ah yes, the allure of “Light” tanks. Lighter, cheaper, more mobile than Main Battle Tanks, the “Light” tank seems to be a magic solution, especially for a country with limited resources. Unfortunately, due to unforeseen circumstances (no plan survives contact with the enemy) or cheep politicians who spend resources on numbers rather than quality, sooner or later “Light” tanks are sent against “real” tanks with predictable results.

India faces serious challenges due to hostile neighbors and difficult terrain. There are no cheap, easy answers. I'm not sure what the solutions are, but I suspect that trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear isn't it. India also needs to rethink its whole arms procurement system, spending billions of $ and many years reinventing the wheel just to have domestically produced arms is a no win game in today's world.

8 posted on 09/12/2017 7:19:14 AM PDT by nuke_road_warrior (Making the world safe for nuclear power for over 20 years)
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To: wally_bert

Yes, remote controlled drones can carry lethal weapons and have no problem with rough terrain, and are 100 times faster to reach target area.


9 posted on 09/12/2017 7:27:58 AM PDT by entropy12 (Why Republicans woo & flirt with liberals & media who will never vote for them ?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Boy the top photo shows a clear contrasted target for air power. Find the tank in the mountain sand. See: kuwait withdrawl turkey shoot.


10 posted on 09/12/2017 7:33:34 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Tony Stark’s invention would work well in the Kashmir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBC1Qob27sM


11 posted on 09/12/2017 7:41:41 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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