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DEVELOPING News Hurricane Irma Sep 8 2017, 2:54 am ET
Nbcnews.com ^ | Sep 8 2017, 2:54 am ET | by Rehema Ellis, Adam Reiss and Erik Ortiz

Posted on 09/08/2017 12:14:08 AM PDT by oxcart

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To: entropy12

Yes, there are options, but ORDERING is a step too far. If people are too stupid and live in unsafe locations and die, that is their problem. The government stepping in and telling them, ends up them telling others, more responsible, what they must do. Not government’s role.


41 posted on 09/08/2017 11:46:22 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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To: Reno89519

Another problem is if those people suffer a health emergency, first responders can not get to them due to flooding. That is the situation in those hundreds of ocean front high rise buildings in Miami Beach area.


42 posted on 09/08/2017 11:50:06 AM PDT by entropy12 (Why Republicans woo & pursue people who will never vote for them (liberals & media) ?)
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To: Reno89519

The current government does not think like you and me. They insist on the role of mother for all residents. That trend has been in the making for 50 years and I see no reversal coming.

Yeah, people build homes near rivers prone to flooding, on hills with soft soil subject to land slides, inside forests with danger of forest fires, and then expect to be compensated when disaster strikes.


43 posted on 09/08/2017 11:54:42 AM PDT by entropy12 (Why Republicans woo & pursue people who will never vote for them (liberals & media) ?)
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To: entropy12

Family members also went through Matthew but little damage to their property and none to their home...but it showed them the weak spots of what they now are protecting better....so ti was like a trial run.

They are hunkered down in Florida now and thus far no evacuations in their location....which is elevated higher than others.


44 posted on 09/08/2017 12:06:01 PM PDT by caww
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To: dr_lew

In a strong wind, there is pressure on the windward side and suction on the lee side. If there are adequately designed frames for wind pressure, the same may not hold true for the lee side.

Also, although the frames may be designed for resisting the deflection, if there are inadequately fastened to the structure, the whole frame, glass and all can be moved. That is to few or too small attachment fasteners will allow failure.


45 posted on 09/08/2017 12:14:17 PM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: oxcart

Storm moving west, everybody that evacuated wasted their time based on the over hype and fearmongering. Embarrassing. Looks like Irma might miss east Florida entirely. Oops!


46 posted on 09/08/2017 3:27:02 PM PDT by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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To: entropy12

That is a beast! My relatives in Orlando have battened down the hatches, and the parties have begun!


47 posted on 09/08/2017 3:49:19 PM PDT by miserare ( Hillary--you lost! Get over it!!)
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To: oxcart; NautiNurse

Per Breitbart, the models now have it bypassing Miami/South FL and into SW FL. That means it’s going to go into the Gulf!


48 posted on 09/08/2017 4:32:37 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (We're right, you're wrong - that's the end of the argument.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It’s looking more that way. It might slam right into Cuba.


49 posted on 09/08/2017 4:34:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: entropy12
By the look of the winds. Its likely to near Key west then move north.
https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap?lat=21.52&lon=-78.22&zoom=8&pin=&rad=1&rad.type=00Q&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=0&hur=0
50 posted on 09/08/2017 5:35:28 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

NO Then it turns north and up the FLA coast
NO predictions show it going into the gulf


51 posted on 09/08/2017 5:38:21 PM PDT by uncbob
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There's is no way a natural weather phenomenon is going to negotiate a 45-80 degree sharp turn by itself. It is simply not possible and haven't happened in the history of recorded Hurricanes.

You've been lied to by the Weather Channel and other fear-mongerers. Even the initial tracking shown it blowing out to the North Atlantic. Who decided that it was going to go up the gut of FL, like some horror movie?

52 posted on 09/08/2017 5:51:32 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (We're right, you're wrong - that's the end of the argument.)
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To: miserare

wow, Orlando is many miles inland, so it is amazing everyone in Florida is affected by Irma. Hoping power does not go out for too long!


53 posted on 09/08/2017 7:30:19 PM PDT by entropy12 (Why Republicans woo & pursue people who will never vote for them (liberals & media) ?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The European model has been more accurate all along. It has been predicting North-West direction all along. What makes the hurricane change direction on water is low & high pressure regions it encounters. But you are correct in that every moving body has momentum, and it will want to keep moving in the same direction it is moving. This storm is so huge in diameter, which means it also has a huge momentum and inertia.


54 posted on 09/08/2017 7:34:43 PM PDT by entropy12 (Why Republicans woo & pursue people who will never vote for them (liberals & media) ?)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

That link displays nice maps!


55 posted on 09/08/2017 7:36:06 PM PDT by entropy12 (Why Republicans woo & pursue people who will never vote for them (liberals & media) ?)
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To: uncbob

Every moving body has momentum, and it will want to keep moving in the same direction it is moving. This storm is so huge in diameter, which means it also has a huge momentum and inertia. It can not suddenly make a 90 deg turn.


56 posted on 09/08/2017 7:41:50 PM PDT by entropy12 (Why Republicans woo & pursue people who will never vote for them (liberals & media) ?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You are wrong.


57 posted on 09/08/2017 7:44:10 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: entropy12

Whoa the 5-day from Monday verified?! Left turn into Cuba!


58 posted on 09/08/2017 7:52:39 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Prosecute the win. Run up the score.)
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To: StAnDeliver

yes! Keep it as far away as possible from Jacksonville....


59 posted on 09/08/2017 9:03:08 PM PDT by entropy12 (Why Republicans woo & pursue people who will never vote for them (liberals & media) ?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I also didn't like the look of the sharp right turn, mostly because if she doesn't make it she gets closer to my backyard. As Irma gets closer to Florida the angle is starting to look like a more normal curve, and she is heading a little further west.

That said, hurricanes can, and do, make sharp direction changes. Here is a link to Hurricane Betsy, which made a loop and then a near 90 degree turn in 1965 just so she could pass over my (not the same, but nearby) house....

Lots of other storms have done crazy turns: StormHistory

O2

60 posted on 09/08/2017 9:34:56 PM PDT by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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