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To: Pelham; Impy

What you write about state legislative corruption is well-known by historians but your statement about no panacea is wrong.

The addition of a voter recall provision allows for voters to fire their US Senators. The 17th Amendment allowed voters to hire their US Senators. That was the wrong thing to do because it boomeranged back on state voters by having their state legislatures become irrelevant and so starting a long trek towards massive federal centralization where today the federal government controls and regulates more than 90% of every aspect of life.

In other words, freedoms were traded for uniform federal codes.

Today’s motto should replace the 17th Amendment with “You can fire them but you can’t hire them”. That puts the voters as a Board of Directors rather than as executives, and that is a much better arrangement because most voters can never truly know their US Senate candidates by words alone, only by deeds are they known. And misdeeds should permit firing.

Here’s a form of amendment that has reached debate at the highest levels now in which national news featured its recall provision just a few weeks ago as to how it would have stopped cold, for example, the 2010 passage of Obamacare:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3583879/posts?page=23#23

Pay attention to how control of the amendment’s language falls to state houses and state voters, and never to any branch of federal government. Because of how it is written, federal government will not be able to interfere with it. If anyone disagrees with that, ask them to give an example how he federal government can take control of such an amendment; answer: no example exists short of tyranny.


43 posted on 09/08/2017 9:49:48 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage; Pelham; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; campaignPete R-CT
First of all state legislatures are not "irreverent", they hold massive power. Second of all the notion that state legislators, by virtue of being state legislators, are somehow opposed to the federal government having much power and thus would choose Senators that would oppose federal power, is perhaps the most ridiculous notion I've ever heard. Many members of Congress used to be state legislators. Democrat legislators would choose scum Senators, as would RINO legislators. In many GOP states RINOs would team with democrats to elect liberal RINO Senators instead of conservatives.

All levels are government bend the people over and give it to us from behind. State governments are as awful as the federal government.

My State Rep. Cythinia Soto (D) and State Senator Omar Aquino (D)

Living in the city of Chicago, US Senator is the only vote for any legislator I have that might make any difference. These a-holes can have MY vote for US Senator over my bloated, bullet-ridden corpse.

As for recalls, I'll remind you they are a progressive era idea also. They are a double-edged sword at best, recalls for Congress would lead to campaign season unending as scores of members on both sides are constantly being recalled, I fail to see how that will accomplish anything other than wasting money.

The way to stop future bad legislation from being passed is to nominate conservatives in GOP primaries and elect large GOP majorities in the general election. Bread and butter. There is no magical procedural fix, liberals will accommodate themselves to any procedure they need to.

50 posted on 09/08/2017 2:41:34 PM PDT by Impy (Anyone who votes to raise taxes deserves to get rabies.)
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