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There is little chance for building connections at Apple. "Everyone is doing their own thing and has their own assignment, and we don't see each other outside of work," said Ramos in Spanish.


Interesting article showing the difference in corporate culture that has developed in America. This little excerpt shows the difference between the opportunities offered Gail Evans and Marta Ramos. Ramos is an unmarried mother of four that does not speak English. What does the future hold for her, regardless of how hard she works, not much.

1 posted on 09/04/2017 7:59:42 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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Another illegal?


2 posted on 09/04/2017 8:03:16 AM PDT by dynachrome (When an empire dies, you are left with vast monuments in front of which peasants squat to defecate)
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I got a little chuckle out of this when remembering that Rochester tended to be fairly Republican leaning back in those days, but the woman at Kodak got these much nicer benefits than the woman at Apple today who works in the heart of Democrat Kalifornia.


3 posted on 09/04/2017 8:05:45 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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More labor law unintentional consequences—plus, of course, illegals.


4 posted on 09/04/2017 8:05:50 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Here's a good way to never advance in your career in America: never learn English.
5 posted on 09/04/2017 8:06:39 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (It's gonna be bloody.)
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Back 30 years ago in Silicon Valley, this is where SEIU was born.
It all began with “Janitors for Justice” with the same sob story.
Now Janitors are unionized under SEIU and they still have no future.

BUT SEIU is now the most powerful Union in the country.
This was the REAL reason for “Janitors for Justice”


7 posted on 09/04/2017 8:12:49 AM PDT by Zathras
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I give them credit for admitting something so obvious in this article:

Perhaps the biggest indictment of the more paternalistic approach taken by an earlier generation of corporate behemoths is that Kodak is a shell of its former self. After a bankruptcy and many years of layoffs, the company has only 2,700 employees in the United States and 6,100 worldwide.

It's becoming more and more clear over time that this is one of these things that gets put into the "unsolvable problems" category.

8 posted on 09/04/2017 8:14:23 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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maybe try learning ENGLISH!!!
9 posted on 09/04/2017 8:14:25 AM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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Two bedroom apartment, four children. No husband? The SF Chronicle is always short on facts with sob stories such as this. How did she get into this predicament? After having four children, you would think she would pick up a little English. No sense to go on with the obvious.


10 posted on 09/04/2017 8:16:30 AM PDT by Fungi (90 percent of all soil biomass is a fungus. Fungi rule the world.)
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Can’t wait for the robots to take over Ramos’s job. No more sob stories by Lefty newspapers that a single mother of four who doesn’t speak English is not thriving in the USA. Robots don’t get pregnant.


11 posted on 09/04/2017 8:20:26 AM PDT by txrefugee (.)
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The point of the article is clear.

Ramos should quit her job, move to Rochester, NY, and work as a janitor for Kodak.


12 posted on 09/04/2017 8:22:59 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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Pay for janitors fell by 4 to 7 percent, and for security guards by 8 to 24 percent, in U.S. companies that outsourced, Arindrajit Dube of the University of Massachusetts-Amherst and Ethan Kaplan of Stockholm University found in a 2010 paper.

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But at least both jobs and pay are rising today. Even by admission of the article, janitorial pay is comparable to Kodak.


14 posted on 09/04/2017 8:23:13 AM PDT by erlayman (yw)
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Nice anecdotal article. Pick the one Kodak janitor who got an education and moved up in the company and compare her to the woman who has to answer questions in Spanish. How many Kodak janitors stayed as janitors their whole career?

Also I noticed that no mention was made of the increase of immigration. Vastly increase the supply of no-skill labor and don't be surprised that the wages and benefits for them decline. I don't know whether Ramos is a citizen, legal immigrant or illegal, but even if she is a citizen the value of her labor is driven down and the price of her housing is driven up by the huge amount of immigration. Don't demand an open border and then in the same breath cry about wage stagnation.

16 posted on 09/04/2017 8:24:26 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Whig Party died when it fled the great fight of its century. Ditto for the Republicans now.)
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I wonder if the author of the article would care to study how and why companies like Kodak and Xerox got their starts in Rochester. I bet (particularly in Eastman’s day), businesses and people gave way considerably less to government back then and as a result, those and other businesses elsewhere in upstate New York could develop and grow to where they were by my lifetime (as a kid in the 1970s and 1980s watching Rochester TV stations in my locale).


18 posted on 09/04/2017 8:24:45 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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Kodak had an American custodian and Apple has an illegal alien.

That’s the big change from America to Amexico.


20 posted on 09/04/2017 8:26:24 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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I am thinking about bringing up a company:

E. H. and T. Anthony

We’ll wipe out Kodak


21 posted on 09/04/2017 8:31:48 AM PDT by buffaloguy (Bond arms Cowbot)
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All of these differences, every one, is brought to you by by federal, state and local employment regulations. Ditch the regulations and stop paying for employee lawsuits and those great employment opportunities will come back.


24 posted on 09/04/2017 8:47:49 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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Tom Selleck as Monte Walsh in the closing to Mr. Slocum who is stuck in the mud: “You can’t have no idea how little I care.”

In an unusual turn of circumstances the remake of the 1970 version with Lee Marvin with Selleck was much better than the first.


25 posted on 09/04/2017 8:50:08 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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I trace it back to the ‘80’s when the ME generation got its start. They push the “It’s your turn” philosophy and people started job jumping. I remember thinking they were killing business responsibility to its employees when they killed the loyalty to their employers.

It’s made for an ugly situation.


27 posted on 09/04/2017 8:56:41 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("The press is impotent when it abandons itself to falsehood."Thomas Jefferson)
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The supposedly old mysogenist racist Americans actually held all workers in higher regard, and valued the experience of labor. I see it in my father’s generation very clearly. The bus driver, the plumber, the meat-cutter - if they did their job well, they were all greatly respected by society.

The globalist, materialist, banker, technocrat elites have reduced everyone into interchangeable, replaceable serfs and masters.


28 posted on 09/04/2017 9:02:46 AM PDT by PGR88
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“”Perhaps the biggest indictment of the more paternalistic approach taken by an earlier generation of corporate behemoths is that Kodak is a shell of its former self. After a bankruptcy and many years of layoffs, the company has only 2,700 employees in the United States and 6,100 worldwide.””


Maybe Kodak was too generous or maybe Kodak made mistakes in promoting women or maybe Kodak thought they were too big to fail or maybe Kodak ignored the new technology that made film obsolete.

All in all Kodak management made major mistakes so comparing how a female janitor prospered at Kodak is not a good example for others to follow.


29 posted on 09/04/2017 9:11:08 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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