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To understand rising inequality, consider the janitors at Kodak and Apple, then and now
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | September 3, 2017 | Neil Irwin

Posted on 09/04/2017 7:59:42 AM PDT by artichokegrower

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To: artichokegrower

I am thinking about bringing up a company:

E. H. and T. Anthony

We’ll wipe out Kodak


21 posted on 09/04/2017 8:31:48 AM PDT by buffaloguy (Bond arms Cowbot)
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To: artichokegrower
In one short post you've explained why private-sector unions are vanishing in this country.

Various levels of government now force taxpayers to give people the very same things labor unions once negotiated on behalf of their members.

The only difference now is that you don't even have to be a member of a labor union to get it. For that matter, you don't even have to be employed at all.

22 posted on 09/04/2017 8:40:53 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: Alberta's Child

Somebody posted that article on FB late last night so I read it early this morning and was left more confused for the effort. The article spent much space with contrary arguments like the one you highlighted. The authors couldn’t seem to pick a thesis and support it consistently. Clearly, the larger issue was attempting to make a comparison when the ground has shifted tectonically underneath the entire employment world. The 80s are not 2017, a person that can speak English as a first language is not one who can only speak the language of a foreign country, KODAK of then is not the AAPL of today, etc.

One of the most obvious conclusions that can be drawn is the universal good advice for success in life:

1) Graduate HS
2) Competently communicate in English
3) Only have children if married
4) Do everything to stay married


23 posted on 09/04/2017 8:46:48 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: artichokegrower

All of these differences, every one, is brought to you by by federal, state and local employment regulations. Ditch the regulations and stop paying for employee lawsuits and those great employment opportunities will come back.


24 posted on 09/04/2017 8:47:49 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: artichokegrower

Tom Selleck as Monte Walsh in the closing to Mr. Slocum who is stuck in the mud: “You can’t have no idea how little I care.”

In an unusual turn of circumstances the remake of the 1970 version with Lee Marvin with Selleck was much better than the first.


25 posted on 09/04/2017 8:50:08 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: Alberta's Child

What is interesting is how the liberals worship the Silicon Valley titans without investigating or ignoring how they treat their workers. Elon Musk is a hero for telling Trump to go to hell after pulling out of the Paris Accords. How does Musk treat his employees?

U.S. labor board files complaint against Tesla over worker rights

The U.S. agency in charge of enforcing labor law on Thursday filed a complaint against electric carmaker Tesla Inc (TSLA.O), saying it found merit to workers’ complaints about unfair labor practices.

According to the National Labor Relations Board complaint, Tesla violated workers’ rights by requiring them to sign a confidentiality agreement that could bar them from talking about their working conditions and safety issues at the company’s facility in Fremont, California.

The agency also investigated charges by the workers that Tesla intimidated and harassed them and violated workers’ rights under federal labor law.

Tesla has denied the allegations.

The company must respond to the charges by Sept. 14. The NLRB has scheduled a hearing for Nov. 14 before an administrative law judge in Oakland, California.

“These allegations, which have been filed by the same contingent of union organizers who have been so outspoken with media, are entirely without merit,” Tesla said in a statement.

Complaints were filed by three employees and the United Auto Workers union, which has encouraged Tesla employees to unionize.

The workers said Tesla made them sign a document that they may face termination or criminal prosecution for speaking publicly, or to the media, about anything they observed at work or their working conditions, NLRB said.


26 posted on 09/04/2017 8:52:48 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

I trace it back to the ‘80’s when the ME generation got its start. They push the “It’s your turn” philosophy and people started job jumping. I remember thinking they were killing business responsibility to its employees when they killed the loyalty to their employers.

It’s made for an ugly situation.


27 posted on 09/04/2017 8:56:41 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("The press is impotent when it abandons itself to falsehood."Thomas Jefferson)
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To: artichokegrower

The supposedly old mysogenist racist Americans actually held all workers in higher regard, and valued the experience of labor. I see it in my father’s generation very clearly. The bus driver, the plumber, the meat-cutter - if they did their job well, they were all greatly respected by society.

The globalist, materialist, banker, technocrat elites have reduced everyone into interchangeable, replaceable serfs and masters.


28 posted on 09/04/2017 9:02:46 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: artichokegrower

“”Perhaps the biggest indictment of the more paternalistic approach taken by an earlier generation of corporate behemoths is that Kodak is a shell of its former self. After a bankruptcy and many years of layoffs, the company has only 2,700 employees in the United States and 6,100 worldwide.””


Maybe Kodak was too generous or maybe Kodak made mistakes in promoting women or maybe Kodak thought they were too big to fail or maybe Kodak ignored the new technology that made film obsolete.

All in all Kodak management made major mistakes so comparing how a female janitor prospered at Kodak is not a good example for others to follow.


29 posted on 09/04/2017 9:11:08 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: artichokegrower

Marta Ramos needs to become a janitor at the United States Post Office. Instead of making $16 per hour without benefits at Apple, she will make more than $50,000 annually ($25 per hour)plus very handsome benefits.

Isn’t big government wonderful? Go to open the books and check what the custodian at your post office is taking down.

https://www.openthebooks.com/


30 posted on 09/04/2017 9:16:07 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: KarlInOhio

“””Also I noticed that no mention was made of the increase of immigration. Vastly increase the supply of no-skill labor and don’t be surprised that the wages and benefits for them decline. I don’t know whether Ramos is a citizen, legal immigrant or illegal, but even if she is a citizen the value of her labor is driven down and the price of her housing is driven up by the huge amount of immigration. Don’t demand an open border and then in the same breath cry about wage stagnation.”””


The San Francisco Chronicle should be screaming ‘BUILD THE WALL’. Corporate America is doing what it has always done. Cutting costs as much as it can and raising prices as much as it can.

The San Francisco Chronicle should be screaming ‘THANK GOD TRUMP WAS ELECTED’ because he will improve the lives of the lower and middle classes by restricting the influx of legal and illegal immigrants.

But, of course, the San Francisco Chronicle cannot say that since their masters Pelosi and Feinstein will not allow it.


31 posted on 09/04/2017 9:27:18 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: artichokegrower

I read the whole article online. The difference between the two is not even apples and oranges, it’s apples & hamburgers! Gail Evans who worked for Kodak had hustle & drive to improve her life and moved way up. She was smart.

Ramos has FOUR children and can’t speak English. Not a comparable situation. When you have 4 kids you can’t afford and you can’t speak the language of the country you’re living in.........well, it is an awfulness of your own making. And the taxpayers of course are helping you.

It’s strange, but I could not conceive of moving to a foreign country and burdening the people there w/ my financial and language fails.


32 posted on 09/04/2017 9:29:01 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Zathras

I remember that janitors strike. It didn’t help them any. I worked for GTE in Mtn. View. We did get picketed, but the cleaners in the secure spaces did not take part. They all had to be US citizens and underwent background checks. They also got paid more than the run of the mill cleaners.

At least GTE did not contract out the cleaners until years later, after the bean counters took the corporation away from the engineers.


33 posted on 09/04/2017 9:44:28 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: artichokegrower
During all this, Apple has risen and Kodak has fallen. Reminds me of that movie, A Star is Born.
34 posted on 09/04/2017 9:46:03 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: leaning conservative

When I graduated from college in 1975 my first job was being a janitor. I cleaned four restaurants in Monterey and Pacific Grove from midnight to 8 AM. I am now the president/general manager of an ag service company. When I was a janitor my supervisor and co-workers were all local residents who spoke English. I assume if I checked now the crew would be made up of recent immigrants. Sure Kodak is gone and Apple is the current big player but not all change has been good for America and Americans.


35 posted on 09/04/2017 9:52:55 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: TangoLimaSierra
Seriously. What might have been a worthwhile article was ruined when I learned the janitor at Apple was Spanish-speaking. Thus, there is no valid comparison with the Kodak janitor who not only spoke English but went to night school to earn a degree.

Deciding to live in a country and not even bothering to learn the native language of that adopted country is extremely selfish and disrespectful to that country and its people. People who refuse to learn our language have no business emigrating here. Proficiency in English should be a requirement for U.S. citizenship. End of story.

Some side-notes as I had some experience with Kodak in their glory days...they were once considered to be in the very top tier of American companies and had the same dominant position in film/cameras that Apple has today in the mobile device field. Kodak was sitting on thousands of patents and their future was extremely bright. To work for them was considered to be set for life. But they made some extremely poor decisions. For example, it was Kodak that invented the digital camera! However, they decided to put it on the shelf and not bring it to market out of fear it would cannibalize their dominant high-margin film business. We know the rest of the story. Digital cameras eventually exploded in the marketplace and in a very short time, the film business was all but completely wiped out. Then Apple put a decent digital camera on their iPhone and went on to wipe out most of the digital camera industry. Very disruptive changes in the industry and Kodak did not react in time - even though they had the original technology!

A note on Apple, a few years back, my son, while pursuing a computer engineering degree, applied to work at the Apple Store, thinking that would get his foot in the door to work for Apple itself. No go. He was told that Apple Store was operated separately from Apple corporation and that there were no career paths from one to the other. I found that hard to believe but apparently it is true, if you wanted to work at Apple corporate, you had to apply from the outside and your job at Apple Store did not give you any kind of inside track. So essentially working at Apple Store is a dead end for those wanting to work at Apple corporate. I think that is rather short-sighted as many Apple Store employees are very bright and passionate about Apple products. They should have a path to work at Apple corporate.

36 posted on 09/04/2017 9:54:20 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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.....restaurants in Monterey and Pacific Grove.....

I was in or near Monterey from 1982 until I moved to Maryland in 2000, thinking to advance my career. Most of that time time I lived between Palo Alto and Sunnyvale, just an hours drive away. I loved the Monterey area, and introduced many friends to the delights of Monterey restaurants.

I haven't been back since I moved to Maryland in 2000, for career advancement. Now I'm retired, living in Oregon. I find that a 12 hour drive is a much larger task than a 1 hour drive used to be.

37 posted on 09/04/2017 10:03:15 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: artichokegrower

Good on you!!!! I also have the feeling that if Gail Evans had moved here knowing no English she would have made it a top priority.

Ramos is just going to be a drag on the state & the school district.


38 posted on 09/04/2017 10:14:51 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

I do know that Kodak was late in the digital game and that their digital cameras are some of the worst. That might explain why they collapsed. Nikon didn’t. Canon didn’t.


39 posted on 09/04/2017 10:30:45 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Seruzawa

Kodak had a corporate culture with an aversion to digital because it threatened their cash cow at the time. So, they walled themselves off, circled the wagons and tried to protect their turf. Being so huge, hidebound and bureaucratic only served to slow their response even more, and to garble it when they actually did attempt to respond.


40 posted on 09/04/2017 10:33:48 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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