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Houston-Area Officials Defend Decision Not To Evacuate Ahead Of Harvey: 'Nonsensical Thing To Do'
NY Daily News ^ | 08/28/17 | Dan Good, Adam Schrader and Graham Rayman

Posted on 08/28/2017 10:17:35 AM PDT by Enlightened1

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I can’t see how total evacuation would have been feasible and then you would have millions forced into long stays away from flooded homes that they might be better off repairing and restoring to whatever extent is possible in a few days’ time.

Some specific areas maybe could have been evacuated, some maybe were from what I’m reading here. But politics aside, a full evacuation seems like the worse of the two options.


21 posted on 08/28/2017 10:27:47 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (The president is a good man -- that's why they are out to get him -- where have we seen this before?)
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To: Enlightened1

Who was the black guy, who just before the storm hit, declared everyone should shelter in place? I saw a video cut of it and assumed it was the mayor or someone with the city of Houston.

Maybe I misheard it.


22 posted on 08/28/2017 10:28:11 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: madison10

Second guessing should be an Olympic sport.


23 posted on 08/28/2017 10:28:15 AM PDT by Don Corleone (.leave the gun, take the canolis, take it to the mattress.)
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To: Enlightened1

I would point out that there is no US constitutional authority for a mandatory / forced evacuation. To do that, you would need to declare martial law first.

I don know Texas state constitution so can’t comment on Gov authority.


24 posted on 08/28/2017 10:30:12 AM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
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To: Enlightened1

That’s true, but I don’t see him doing this to get at Trump. The problem, it seems, is that evacuating Houston is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.

It’s hard to evacuate for a lot of geographical and structural reasons, and IIRC, a number of people died when they tried to evacuate it before Katrina.


25 posted on 08/28/2017 10:30:24 AM PDT by livius
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And I thought Dallas traffic was bad, it has nothing on Houston.


26 posted on 08/28/2017 10:30:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Enlightened1

These things are always a tough call.
Evacuating the entire city would have been potentially worse. They would have had to call it very early in order for people to get out ... probably on Wednesday.

However, I do think they should have evacuated nursing homes (mandatory call) ___ and sick or disabled people and people with very young children (non-mandatory call). This population poses the biggest threat to 1st responders if they have to be rescued in adverse conditions.

Probably also best if people who cannot swim would evacuate.


27 posted on 08/28/2017 10:30:34 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Enlightened1

"Would you look at that? Some New York City self appointed experts that have never been west of the Hudson...'"

28 posted on 08/28/2017 10:30:40 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: madison10

Really?? And here we thought that the media know it alls in the New York/Washington axis were experts on everything....

Sarcasm........


29 posted on 08/28/2017 10:31:02 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Oh so the city is too big to evacuate defense right?

That’s like saying to people on the Titanic after it struck the iceberg. It’s too big to evacuate, and besides we did not practice for this. So don’t go anywhere.


30 posted on 08/28/2017 10:31:44 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: dragnet2

It was the mayor——and he was correct IMHO.

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31 posted on 08/28/2017 10:31:45 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Enlightened1; treetopsandroofs
Sorry you need to read the article. The Mayor of Houston is a Democrat that hates President Trump.

Nonsense. I read the article, and I don't know where you get the "hate" from.

I know political incompetence when I see it, and I'm not seeing it. I'm here, and my television has been on local coverage non-stop.

There has been NOTHING political about the decisions that were made.

You're not from this area, are you? Your profiles don't fly a flag.

-PJ

32 posted on 08/28/2017 10:31:48 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Enlightened1

I live is SW Florida..there are places that flood here all the time..people who live there know when to stay and when to leave...why they come back to get flooded out again I don’t understand...the problem in Houston is areas have flooded that never flooded in a life time...would people here be second guessing if he was a Republican..


33 posted on 08/28/2017 10:32:05 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Enlightened1
Harris County Judge Ed Emmett, speaking Monday with NBC's "Today," said residents might have "laughed at us or ignored it" if an evacuation order had been issued.

This isn't satire?

34 posted on 08/28/2017 10:32:09 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Enlightened1
The Mayor of Houston is a dem that hates President Trump

Let's get past the politics. This morning, there were several callers into Washington Journal about how when they evacuated for Hurricane Rita, approximately 100 lives were lost, and that was with just over 1 million evacuated.

As with most hurricanes, this one was unpredictable. Besides that, there are 4 million (?) people and only about 24 hours notice of just how bad it would be. And evacuate them to where? It would've been a calamity if traffic snarled and got stuck on flooded roads. It might've made it impossible to get around Houston and save the people who couldn't survive the calamity on their own.

This does seem to be a disaster with no perfect solution. A part of the problem is that so much of the flood plain has been developed and destroyed, so the ground doesn't soak up as much water as it once did. And the population in harms way has increased massively.

Let's not blame anyone. Instead, thank God we have a President whose whole life is designing and implementing construction projects. We can have hope that the rebuilding will be done responsibly.

35 posted on 08/28/2017 10:32:43 AM PDT by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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“Officials released 5,000 cubic feet of water from Houston-area reservoirs Monday, hoping for relief from the storm’s devastation. The plan was to increase that to 8,000 cubic feet by noon.”

5,000 cubic feet of water (40,000 gallons) is about what a swimming pool holds. I doubt very much that a swimming pool’s worth of water will have much effect during this storm.

There are 3 authors to this story, are they all THAT DUMB to not even have a clue as to what they’re writing, or what units they’re using?

Yes...after all, they HATED math, which is why they went into ‘journalism’.


36 posted on 08/28/2017 10:32:47 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: IamConservative

Both of my daughters were at the elder’s in-laws’ house until the HOA rep showed up and said the dam release would put the house underwater. They’ve been trying since about 0900 this morning to get to 290 and come to San Antonio, but no joy - no way to get that far north, so now they’re stuck at another in-law’s home till the roads open.

Sucks.


37 posted on 08/28/2017 10:32:58 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: Enlightened1

Here is my thing, if people are too dumb to get their arses out of the way of a hurricane, then what can you say?
Do you really need some know-nothing politicians to tell you to leave town if a CAT 4 hurricane is heading for your city/town?


38 posted on 08/28/2017 10:33:03 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Enlightened1
That’s like saying to people on the Titanic after it struck the iceberg. It’s too big to evacuate, and besides we did not practice for this. So don’t go anywhere.

This is actually a great analogy, it's like the Captain of the titanic saying we ALL can't evacuate at once because we don't have the infrastructure to handle all these people - i.e. we don't have enough lifeboats. As in Houston, the roads could not handle a total evacuation in 24-8 hours, not enough roads (lifeboats)

39 posted on 08/28/2017 10:34:53 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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I tend to agree with you.

If people in Houston were told to evacuate, where were they to evacuate to? If they went north and the storm went up there and stalled, they could have been in a dangerous situation then. No one knew the exact point where the storm would stall. I’ve seen hurricane predictions for many years and it seems that most times they’re wrong. My family has evacuated before as they requested and it put us right in the worst area of a storm.

No one knew for certain that the worst flooding wasn’t going to be 100 miles northeast.

I don’t like anyone that votes democrat and I’ll blame them for when they’re wrong (99.99999% of the time) but there was no way of knowing in this situation.


40 posted on 08/28/2017 10:35:17 AM PDT by boycott
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