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First glimmer of explanation on Fitzgerald USN incident that makes sense.
American Greatness ^ | august 23, 2017

Posted on 08/23/2017 10:01:49 AM PDT by beebuster2000

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To: Sequoyah101
I have seen the same thing more than once. In search of an explanation, I found my way to the psych literature. It holds that caring about the harm done to others is simply not in the nature of many people. It is a fairly common trait and is a defining feature of the sociopathic personality, which is formally known as antisocial personality disorder.

Notably, some of the features, such as lack of nervousness, are helpful in organizational leadership and command positions. If one knew nothing else about them, most people would be intuitively inclined to pick as officer on deck a cool, collected type instead of a fidgety, nervous sort. Yet the hand-wringing worry wart might be the better choice to get a ship through waters that had the risk of collision or other mishap.

41 posted on 08/23/2017 11:34:25 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: beebuster2000

So many mishaps in such a short time span indicates serious command and leadership problems. Maybe too many training hours and time spent on social engineering? Could it be the false gratification of “diversity” over competence? The Navy is in trouble........at the HIGHEST levels.


42 posted on 08/23/2017 11:38:33 AM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: beebuster2000

You can bet that if political correctness caused this disaster, the Navy will do all it can to cover it up. Women handling a damage control party is like women fire fighters, unable to lift the equipment necessary to calm the situation and requiring the men to do double duty with, in this case, the resulting loss of life likely.


43 posted on 08/23/2017 12:00:11 PM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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To: PJBankard

PJ, you know there are multiple ways a big bad ass navel vessel has to detect crap out there,
Either on purpose, systems hack or some junior officer is worthless.
Lights?


44 posted on 08/23/2017 12:15:23 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (President Trump makes obammy look like the punk he is.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Yes, I’m aware of the methods of detection available on the Naval Ship; however, commercial ships are supposed to have their lights on. If the freighter failed to have them on, then they turned them off for a reason, which means that the collision was on purpose, on top of the failure of the watch.


45 posted on 08/23/2017 1:11:34 PM PDT by PJBankard
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To: Aliska

Aliska, do you know that interpretation of the course of the ACX Crystal is completely and totally wrong?

That the information as you referenced it is completely outdated, and was outdated within a day or two of the actual collision?


46 posted on 08/23/2017 2:02:29 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: Aliska

He is correct...I assume you were reading early reports.


47 posted on 08/23/2017 2:04:32 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: rlmorel
I did read an earlier report, just one I think, probably ABC with comments, then I just glanced through my google results today.

Thanks for the correction, can put that behind me now and wonder who really dunnit.

48 posted on 08/23/2017 2:06:48 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Rockingham

that rings true. i used to race dinghies right off the kings point academy. Weatherly used to be moored there.


49 posted on 08/23/2017 2:10:31 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000
The OOD either removes the problem by changing course by one or two degrees on his own authority, or, notifies the captain who then makes the course adjustment.

I find this statement odd. Perhaps surface ships are different from subs, but I never changed course by only one or two degrees (surfaced or submerged) to avoid coming close to another ship. Part of the point of the maneuver is to make an obvious course change, so the other ship knows you have taken action and does not do something stupid (and in violation of the rules) to avoid a collision you have already avoided. Also, part of the point is to change course so much that even mistake/malice from the other ship cannot create a crisis.

50 posted on 08/23/2017 3:20:22 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Seruzawa

All F-14s had been taken out of service when they gave Cptn Holly Graf a cruiser.


51 posted on 08/23/2017 7:21:22 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Winter is coming)
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To: beebuster2000

Was OOD a female, homosexual, tranny, undecided, or all of the above?


52 posted on 08/24/2017 7:22:29 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: beebuster2000

“...at the time of impact, the captain was asleep in his cabin.”

Facts not in evidence. It is only known that the CO was in his quarters - after the collusion, well what was left of his quarters.


53 posted on 08/24/2017 7:25:15 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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