[Edward.Fish]

>> What would you do when faced with the loss of your livelihood and then having your ability to contest the govt's wrongdoing in court stolen from you?
>
> Happens EVERY DAY to various business owners. Should they all mount armed protests?
> What happened to the Bundys is not unique by a long shot. A football arena couldn't hold all the people the government has run out of business in one way or another. My father's business is one of them.
> My question is this: As bad as it sucks, and as unjust as it is, are we calling for a shooting war against federal police every time a family's livelihood is threatened by the government?

Perhaps that's the only way to get the federal government to respect the Constitution -- the preamble of the Bill of Rights reads as follows: THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution. -- and among those declaratory and restrictive clauses are the 2nd Amendment whose preamble is A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State clearly guarantees the right of the people to form militia, in part to ensure that the 10th Amendment (The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.) is respected.

So then, the question is: what should the people do when the federal government usurps power?
(Note: The traditional/historical punishment for usurpation is harsh, [usually death].)

[Garth Tater]

"So then, the question is: what should the people do when the federal government usurps power?"

We have already answered this question once in our history. I hope we don't have to do it again - but we are Americans and our freedom is not negotiable.

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."