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To: canalabamian

I know zero about navy ships.

But I have a question.

How can a US Navy Fighting ship which has all kinds of radar for battle purposes and devices that can locate submarines, manage to collide with a ship that is making no effort to hide?

The top officers of the Fitzgerald have already been relieved of duty and their careers are ended in the US Navy. I suspect others will follow.

This crew should have been extra careful as a result of the first accident. They should be in prison.


49 posted on 08/20/2017 5:32:15 PM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: old curmudgeon

Maybe someone is hacking, spoofing, or otherwise screwing with electronic systems — this is way too much to seem like coincidence, all these recent naval accidents in East Asian waters!!

Red China????

Although I would think that if they had this capability they would save it for an actual battle situation, rather than demonstrate it now and let us work on counter-measures..... but something is waaaaay off about these repeated accidents.


54 posted on 08/20/2017 5:36:28 PM PDT by Enchante (Searching throughout the country for one honest Democrat....)
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To: old curmudgeon

I’m a retired Naval officer (of the Royal Australian Navy) and while my career path didn’t involve as much time handling this type of thing as others did, I know more than the basics.

What you need to understand is that under certain circumstances it is normal for ships to be operating in close proximity to each other, and as long as everybody follows the rules of the road in those circumstances collisions should not happen.

But if somebody breaks the rules, it is possible for a situation to develop that another ship cannot avoid a collision.

Any large vessel should have competent people handling things and you rely on that being true on the ships around you.

Collisions like this are so rare, largely because most of the time it is true.


61 posted on 08/20/2017 5:43:53 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: old curmudgeon

I’m a retired Naval officer (of the Royal Australian Navy) and while my career path didn’t involve as much time handling this type of thing as others did, I know more than the basics.

What you need to understand is that under certain circumstances it is normal for ships to be operating in close proximity to each other, and as long as everybody follows the rules of the road in those circumstances collisions should not happen.

But if somebody breaks the rules, it is possible for a situation to develop that another ship cannot avoid a collision.

Any large vessel should have competent people handling things and you rely on that being true on the ships around you.

Collisions like this are so rare, largely because most of the time it is true.


62 posted on 08/20/2017 5:43:54 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: old curmudgeon

Exactly.

If it happens once it’s dereliction.

When it happens twice one has to start asking other questions. Like why is radar not working in the waters. Why and how, do they not “see” other ships.

I am thinking somewhere in a Chinese back channel, someone is saying, “It’s a shame your ships cannot see at night. Perhaps you should only dive them in daylight.”


110 posted on 08/20/2017 7:06:37 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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