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US Marines Test All-Male Squads Against Mixed-Gender Ones – And The Results Are Bleak
The Federalist Papers ^ | 8/7/2017

Posted on 08/08/2017 5:17:25 AM PDT by Altura Ct.

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To: Altura Ct.
Hopefully, with more training in combat, women will be a strength for the military...

An important distinction here...are we saying "training IN combat", as in conducting training while in the face of the enemy, or are we saying "training in COMBAT", as in conducting non-aggressive training in a controlled environment in order to become more efficient in combat?

I know it sounds argumentative, but there is a difference.

It has been my professional experience that the female gender will do well in a training environment, but fall flat in actual execution of combat tactics and actions.

I suspect it has to do with the fact they know that training isn't playing "for keeps", so to speak.

There is also the "big brother" aspect which occurs in dangerous, stressful and REAL situations wherein the male will assume a protective posture with the female...which of course degrades his individual performance and does little to nothing for hers.

It is a undeniable, biological fact that the genders are different and it is beyond me as to why a woman would seek to compete on a male level, as opposed to competing as a female on a female level.

Again, I experienced it on a personal professional level...invariably the females would seek to outdo the male, as opposed to competing with her peers.

Segregated, those females would dominate their peers and provide exceptional leadership...but integrated, they were quite simply a pain in the ass.

41 posted on 08/08/2017 5:58:55 AM PDT by OldSmaj (The only thing washed on a filthy liberal is their damned brains.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Israel is the only modern army to have employed mixed and all female infantry units in combat during the 2006 Lebanon War. It’s also the only war where Israel was defeated on the ground. So either Israel suddenly sucks at war or female combat units don’t work.


42 posted on 08/08/2017 6:00:57 AM PDT by JohnyBoy
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To: Altura Ct.

Read a book by a Afghanistan veteran

He said GI Jane wouldn’t last 2 minutes with the enemy


43 posted on 08/08/2017 6:02:31 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Wuli

Surely our Marine Corps know that. I hope that will be one of the comparisons they do. Thanks for bringing it up.


44 posted on 08/08/2017 6:02:45 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: rlmorel

Who goes into combat at the peak of their physical fitness? Perhaps you have been on ship for months waiting, or, as in Desert Storm, months waiting for forces to mass and politics to work eating MREs for months before crossing the LOD. It is rare circumstances indeed that send troops at their absolute peak of fitness.


45 posted on 08/08/2017 6:03:02 AM PDT by rey
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
This can’t be right. In most Hollywood movies I see, the small female soldiers can easily take on and defeat a muscular, 220 lb. man with karate moves.

Yeah, latest example is "Atomic Blonde," but I also saw a made for TV movie where this blonde was, for some reason, a professional body guard. She was like a toothpick. Within the first 10 minutes of the movie, she's easily overpowering men 3x her size. I laughed hilariously, but it was a chick flick (romance movie) and you have to let the women have their delusions.

46 posted on 08/08/2017 6:05:19 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: cdcdawg

Here in Clown World we spend money to study the obvious, then act surprised at the results.


LOL.


47 posted on 08/08/2017 6:05:26 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: Altura Ct.

Where are the test results of the all so called “transgender” unit competing against the so called “cisgender” unit?


48 posted on 08/08/2017 6:05:51 AM PDT by rey
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To: cdcdawg
Here in Clown World we spend money to study the obvious, then act surprised at the results.

Well said!

49 posted on 08/08/2017 6:06:16 AM PDT by exit82 (The opposition has already been Trumped!)
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To: ExTxMarine
The co-ed team was faster in repairing combat clothing, damaged during fire exercises, in the field! /S

The also excelled at cooking and cleaning :).

50 posted on 08/08/2017 6:06:43 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

The woman would probably turn out to be a transgendered male :)


51 posted on 08/08/2017 6:07:08 AM PDT by exit82 (The opposition has already been Trumped!)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

And they do it in slow motion in skin tight leather pants!


52 posted on 08/08/2017 6:09:05 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: rlmorel

In order for them to accomplish that task, modifying the test to fit the circumstances, they would have to have a unit of 100% gay males vs a unit of mixed females and gay males......................


53 posted on 08/08/2017 6:09:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: rlmorel

“They will likely repeat this process, again...and again...and again, modifying each time, until they get the results they want.”

Yep: “why does the wall have to be 8 ft tall? It too hard to throw a pack that high. I mean, there are plenty of 5 ft walls in the world. can’t we run sims using 5 ft walls?”

/whining


54 posted on 08/08/2017 6:10:46 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: oh8eleven

Ugh...I’ll pick on the word “hopefully”. Women ARE a strength for the military, just in different roles. I do not “hope” to be able to put women on the front line. It is not a role for which they are designed. It’s like “hoping” more women are put in prison to better align with the numbers of men in prison.


55 posted on 08/08/2017 6:11:21 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: uncbob

I have become convinced that evidence & facts don’t matter anymore. Someone will always blame sexism and the journalists & judges will always back them up. It will not change until Society crumbles.


56 posted on 08/08/2017 6:14:07 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: headstamp 2
This continued social experiment is going to get a lot of good people killed unnecessarily.

Yep. Lives sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.

57 posted on 08/08/2017 6:15:10 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: rlmorel
Geez. I hope we didn’t pay taxpayer money to fund this research.

If the research can be used to put the end to a bad policy, it is money well spent.
58 posted on 08/08/2017 6:16:45 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

If the mission requirement testing includes embarking a batallion and relocating it, then the all female group will of necessity perform worse than the mixed group.


59 posted on 08/08/2017 6:19:43 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Altura Ct.

Oh don’t confuse the SJW with the facts


60 posted on 08/08/2017 6:20:21 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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