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The U.S. Navy's Stealthy Zumwalt Class Destoyer: America’s New 'Pocket' Battleships?
National Interest ^ | 7/30/17 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 07/30/2017 3:56:21 PM PDT by Carbonsteel

The three new Zumwalt-class destroyers are in trouble. Originally envisioned as a fleet of more nearly three dozen destroyers, and the weapons that justified them, the Zumwalts have faced delays, cuts and staggering cost increases. As the ships teeter on the verge of white elephant status, could they become relevant again by taking on a new role, that of a stealthy ship killer?

The Zumwalt-class destroyers were originally envisioned as a fleet of thirty-two destroyers designed to attack targets far inland with precision-guided howitzer shells. Designed in part to support amphibious landings by the U.S. Marine Corps, the Zumwalts were meant to make up for the lack of big-gun firepower caused by the retirement of the Iowa-class destroyers.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: badjournalism; battleship; destroyers; pos; usnavy; waste; wasteofmoney; zumwalt
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I don't think the American taxpayer has ever been taken for such a ride as we're being taken for on this debacle!
1 posted on 07/30/2017 3:56:21 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

The Littoral Combat Ship is also a disaster of waste.

There are solutions such as the boat we are selling to Saudi Arabia but what is the Navy doing?

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/saudi-arabia-is-buying-the-littoral-combat-ship-the-u-s-1737749488


2 posted on 07/30/2017 4:01:30 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Carbonsteel

Iowa class destroyers? The Iowa class were battleships.


3 posted on 07/30/2017 4:01:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly. I quit reading at that point.


4 posted on 07/30/2017 4:04:13 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: Carbonsteel

Cost per ship, if produced in the original numbers, would not have been so outrageous. But, producing only 3, the cost per ship is not a pretty picture.

But keep in mind these are really experimental platforms. We have rail gun technology now and rail guns need to go on a ship with the ability to produce A LOT of electricity. The Zumwalts can power a small city.


5 posted on 07/30/2017 4:05:47 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)
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To: Carbonsteel

They were built for the rail gun


6 posted on 07/30/2017 4:06:56 PM PDT by Despot of the Delta
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To: Carbonsteel

7 posted on 07/30/2017 4:07:02 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Carbonsteel

There are cheaper shells available

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htart/articles/20170723.aspx?comments=Y

but yeah, nearly a million per round, seriously

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/each-round-for-the-uss-zumwalt-costs-800-000-and-the-n-1788765510


8 posted on 07/30/2017 4:07:38 PM PDT by lavaroise
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Iowa class DESTROYER

Uh-huh. SURE.

Friggin RIDICULOUS.

9 posted on 07/30/2017 4:09:16 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Carbonsteel
caused by the retirement of the Iowa-class destroyers

Iowa class destroyers? Hmmm...

Not sure I need to read anything the author wrote.

10 posted on 07/30/2017 4:10:31 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Urinalists. Military stuff is, like, hard!


11 posted on 07/30/2017 4:11:17 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He probably meant the Spruance class battleships.


12 posted on 07/30/2017 4:12:13 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Despot of the Delta

Real soon, now, along with those particle beam weapons. /s


13 posted on 07/30/2017 4:12:24 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Army Air Corps; MeganC; gaijin
"The Zumwalt-class destroyers were originally envisioned as a fleet of thirty-two destroyers designed to attack targets far inland with precision-guided howitzer shells. Designed in part to support amphibious landings by the U.S. Marine Corps, the Zumwalts were meant to make up for the lack of big-gun firepower caused by the retirement of the Iowa-class destroyers."

Who wrote this?

Better question would be "Who edited this?

Iowa Class Destroyers? Seriously?

This is on par with naming every gun a "Glock" regardless what it really is.

All warships are the same in a liberals eyes.

Second, no this things are not new "Pocket Battleships". A waste of money at best. Usless waste of money at worst.

Reminds me of when I was in the Air Force and we wen through a lesson that right before Vietnam, it was explained to pilots asking why their fighters didn't have cannons, that "Because of Nuclear weapons we will never again fight a conventional war".

Then Vietnam and every war since has been nothing but conventional.

When the rubber meets the road in war, nothing backs you better than great artillery. The Navy is almost as bad as the Air Force at overthinking a solution to a non-existent problem.

14 posted on 07/30/2017 4:14:09 PM PDT by KC_Lion (If you want on First Lady Melania's, Ivanka Trump's or Sarah Palin's Ping Lists, just let me know.)
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To: Carbonsteel
Author Kyle Mizokami

Check out my new staple-gun, guys..! Bad-as$, huh..?!

15 posted on 07/30/2017 4:14:22 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

My son took a picture of it a month ago. It was wrapped in scaffolding.


16 posted on 07/30/2017 4:14:25 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: doorgunner69

The rail gun will be on the LBJ in 2019


17 posted on 07/30/2017 4:15:28 PM PDT by Despot of the Delta
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Zumwalt probably should class out as a light cruiser. (Close to 15,000 tons displacement, 6 inch guns (but only 2 of them).

Compare that to a World War II Fletcher class destroyer, displacement just over 2000 tons, or the USS Atlanta, a light cruiser built during World War II with a roughly 12,000 ton displacement, also with 6 inch guns (but 12 of them, plus some 5 inch dp mounts).


18 posted on 07/30/2017 4:17:01 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: gaijin
Author Kyle Mizokami

Whoa, Kyle, buddy! That's a pretty nice flamingo you're holding there...

19 posted on 07/30/2017 4:18:13 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: gaijin

Stealthy, eh?


20 posted on 07/30/2017 4:23:05 PM PDT by onedoug ( KEK)
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