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Participant in Cliven Bundy standoff sentenced to 68 years in prison
Los Angeles Times (via TriCity Herald) ^ | July 26, 2017 | DAVID MONTERO

Posted on 07/26/2017 10:30:59 PM PDT by Robwin

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To: Regulator

“What do you think motivates a Spaniard female sitting in judgement of a WASP?...”

What does “Spaniard” have to do with anything? Do you think the sentence would be less if she was judging a Mexican-American?

“Or her own centuries long history of despotism in service to the wretched “nobility” of the decrepit Spanish Empire, upended by such creatures as the white Anglo-Saxon who stood before her?”

I think you are nuts. And a racist.


81 posted on 07/27/2017 7:33:29 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Regulator

“Born in Las Vegas, Nevada, Navarro earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1989 from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas and a Juris Doctor from the Arizona State University College of Law (now the Sandra Day O’Connor College of Law) in 1992.”

Last time I checked, Las Vegas Nevada is part of the USA.


82 posted on 07/27/2017 7:35:58 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Hugh the Scot
Now let's see if he's held accountable...

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Finicum shooting has been determined to be justified by the Oregon authorities and the FBI? And Astarita has been indicted on perjury charges? So we'll see what happens in that trial.

"but who are you going to believe, the Government?"

What reason do I have to believe either side of the issue? Are you saying only the government would have a reason to fib a little? Or a lot?

83 posted on 07/27/2017 7:51:15 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

You’re not wrong. The Finicum shooting has been determined to be justified by the Oregon authorities and the FBI, based on perjured testimony given by Astarita and other members of the FBI HRT.

Here are the reasons to choose sides:
1.) Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi
2.) Richard M. Rogers
3.) W. Joseph Astarita

The government is the only entity currently charged with lying.


84 posted on 07/27/2017 9:01:12 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Ok, quick history

The land in question was acquired by the US Government via the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo 1848. Later the US Territory of Nevada was created and supervised by the US Government. Nevada was formed as a state in 1854 and their state constitution reads, in part:

“Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; and that lands belonging to citizens of the United States, residing without the said state, shall never be taxed higher than the land belonging to the residents thereof; and that no taxes shall be imposed by said state on lands or property therein belonging to, or which may hereafter be purchased by, the United States, unless otherwise provided by the congress of the United States.”

The owner is the US Government that is not in dispute. Where the author of that article is incorrect is his assertion that the US government is required to turn unappropriated public lands lying within said territory over to the state - especially when the state agrees to forego any such claim.


85 posted on 07/27/2017 9:03:15 AM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Well people didn’t like the Castile shooting being called justified or the Crutcher shooting being called justified or the Scott shooting being called justified. You aren’t alone.


86 posted on 07/27/2017 9:06:22 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

I’m not discussing “what people like” and you damned well know it...


87 posted on 07/27/2017 9:09:41 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: taxcontrol

I’m actually aware of this “history”, and of the provision in the Nevada constitution.

Your argument falls apart in identifying where in the U.S. Constitution, the power to violate same is ceded to the state of Nevada.

Within state boundaries the U.S. Constitution grants no authority to retain acreage for unenumerated purposes, such as land for grazing, mineral development, agriculture, forests, or parks.


88 posted on 07/27/2017 9:19:41 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Mr Rogers
Do you think the sentence would be less if she was judging a Mexican-American?

Undoubtedly.

She's corrupt. It's part of La Cultura.

You live in Tucson or Sierra Vista? Really? You don't know about this?

Pobrecito. Drive to Nogales, commit a crime. Say, burglarize a home (make sure it's a drug runner's home, nobody else there has anything).

Go up in front of a Mexican "judge". Lemme know how that works out for you. Hint: offer a LOT of money.

Think I'm wrong? What about the Marine who took the wrong turn into Mexico with the rifle in his trunk, got stuck there for 9 months in jail?

You really don't get it, Mr. Rogers. These are not nice people, just administering The Laws.

That's why it appears "mad" to you.

Makes perfect sense to me. Unlike you, I grew up in Tucson. I remember what it was like BEFORE we were compelled to say "they're just like us". They AREN'T. And it's why their country looks the way it does.

The guy who's nuts is you. You think things are always gonna be the way they were, even though the people around you are not like you, don't agree with you, and resent your very existence.

This trial is the future. Been watching it the whole time. Navarro is the reason.

As for your ad hominem about being a "racist", you're apparently ignorant or stupid or both. Navarro is white, as all Spaniards are. Ever heard of Iberia? Been to Madrid? It's the whitest country in Western Europe now, since they don't have the "migrant" problem that France, Germany and Britain and Italy have.

So stick your dimwitted racist jibe where the sun don't shine. And if you're Mr. I-Luv-Everyone, which Barrio do you live in?

Did we fight the Spanish crown at St. Augustine because we were concerned about their attitude towards Federal Supremacy? Did Polk go into Mexico because he was looking for bright young egalitarian candidates for the Federal bench? Was Houston wrong in fighting Santa Anna? Was the Alamo just a mistake, they should have never gone up against the Sacred Mexican government? Was the San Patricio Battalion really right, we should never have tried to take the West?

So if by your definition I'm a "racist" because I'm on the side of the Americans...without a hyphen....guess I is guilty there, bubba.

As for Ana Navarro....she's an alien, a foreigner, a person who was supposed to be a temporary visitor, her family being victims of the sick culture they inherited in Cuba. Caudillos like the Castro family are part and parcel of that culture, and like it or not, they bring it here in their memories, their traditions, who knows, maybe their genes. The psychopath trait is known to be a gene.

The Cubans were supposed to go home when Castro was overthrown. They failed in recovering their land, thanks to weaklings like John Kennedy. They perhaps aren't as bad as the Central and South Americans, but that's because they at least understand the consequences of Communism, at least as practiced by the Caudillo Castro. But they still have not abandoned the attitudes of their ancestors, which are far, far different from mine in Northern Europe.

And in my opinion, that's what's going on here. And it will become more and more prevalent in the Southwest as their people are labeled "Americans" and put in positions of power, when they are nothing of the sort.

That's why it seems "mad" to you. Get used to it, this is the result of the "hispanic" (a word unused outside of the U.S.) invasion.

We ARE different. That's why nations exist. And she ain't part of ours, and the law classes she took at ASU only reinforced that because the law schools have become Leftist indoctrination camps.

89 posted on 07/27/2017 9:22:14 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Mr Rogers

Las Vegas is part of the USA?

Still? Really?

Then why is a Congressman from there an illegal alien?

http://360daily.net/nevada-congressman-kihuen-admits-being-an-illegal-alien-at-one-time/

The USA is wherever the Americans are. Ruben ain’t one of us, and neither is Ana Navarro. As a former Presdiente of Mexico said, “Mexico is wherever the Mexicans are”. He’s right.

Once they are the majority, you still gonna call it the US?

If so, does that mean that Guadalajara is really just another middle American city?


90 posted on 07/27/2017 9:27:17 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Hugh the Scot

Where your argument falls apart is:

Congress’s enumerated authority to
...and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States

and the 10th Amendment which reserves any right not enumerated to the state. The State of Nevada chose to return that ownership to the US Government via it’s state constitution.

and Article I Section 8 clause 17 which reads in part ....and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be,...

and pursuant to Article Four, section 3, clause 2 of the United States Constitution.[1] The United States Supreme Court has repeatedly held that this section empowers Congress to retain federal lands, to regulate federal lands such as by limiting cattle grazing, and to sell such lands.

And I will go ahead and mention the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934


91 posted on 07/27/2017 9:41:50 AM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
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To: Mr Rogers
PS, you didn't go far enough with Gloria Navarro's bio, specifically her role as a Professional Hispanic:

Chief Judge Navarro is a Las Vegas native of Cuban descent who is fluent in Spanish. She has authored several articles, including “Cultural Factors and the Voluntariness of Statements” and “Criminal Defense and the Consequences of Immigration Law.” Judge Navarro has also been a speaker for the Criminal Justice Act Panel Attorneys on the topic of “How to Effectively Represent Non-English Speaking Clients and/or Clients with a Different Cultural Background.”

She has always enjoyed being actively involved in her community. She is a 2003 Graduate of the Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce Leadership Program and served as a panel speaker and Co-Chaired the program’s Criminal Justice Day numerous times. She is also a Past-President of the Latino Bar Association of Southern Nevada where she assisted La Voz, the Boyd School of Law Hispanic Law Student Association, to launch a mentorship program called Huellas (“footprints” in Spanish) which was awarded the 2008 Hispanic National Bar Association (HNBA) Law Student Organization of the Year Award. Prior to her appointment to the bench, Chief Judge Navarro also served on the Advisory Board of the Nevada branch of the national non-profit Youth Advocacy Program (YAP, Inc.) and was on the Executive Board of DJs for PJs, a non-profit organization which over the years has collected and distributed more than 40,000 pajamas to children in need at Child Haven, Boy’s and Girl’s Town, Nevada Childhood Cancer Foundation, S.A.F.E. House, Safe Nest, The Shade Tree Shelter, Variety Early Learning Center and Women’s Development Center.

Now imagine if my father's biography, a prosecutor in Southern Arizona, included organizations like the Anglo-Saxon Student Law Society, or being in a German organization called Volken or similar...you get the picture. The howling would have never stopped. Racist! (see, you're conditioned! you're just like them!) Mexiphobic! Klansman!

Gloria Navarro's history is one long tedious litany of resentment towards the Evil Gringos for "taking our land".

And she was appointed by a man who had no right to be President of our country, and none of his laws or Executive Orders should have any power over us.

You disagree? Next you gonna tell me that Bambi was "one of us", even though Daddy was a Kenyan, Mommy was a Commie, and Muslim Indonesia was where he really felt at home?

92 posted on 07/27/2017 10:12:20 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator

You can disagree with her beliefs - beliefs a LOT of whites share - but it is WRONG to write:

“The USA is wherever the Americans are. Ruben ain’t one of us, and neither is Ana Navarro...

...As for Ana Navarro....she’s an alien, a foreigner, a person who was supposed to be a temporary visitor, her family being victims of the sick culture they inherited in Cuba. Caudillos like the Castro family are part and parcel of that culture, and like it or not, they bring it here in their memories, their traditions, who knows, maybe their genes. The psychopath trait is known to be a gene.”

She was born in the USA! She is as American as Hillary Clinton - an American hating WASP. She is as fully an American as you are. The idea that Ana Navarro genetically hates whites is obscene - AND racist!

“Unlike you, I grew up in Tucson.”

Well, I moved to Tucson in 1971. I remember it as it was, and it has grown. But South Tucson wasn’t safe to drive through in 1971 either.

Doesn’t matter.

“Ana Navarro....she’s an alien, a foreigner, a person who was supposed to be a temporary visitor, her family being victims of the sick culture they inherited in Cuba...”

That is racism, pure and simple. It is repulsive.


93 posted on 07/27/2017 10:41:33 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: wardaddy

Yep. For the most part they are an institutionalized violation of the 8th Amendment.


94 posted on 07/27/2017 11:27:27 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Why defend the EU?)
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To: taxcontrol
Bundy was a thief...

Stuck on stupid.

95 posted on 07/27/2017 1:39:40 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi

Yep, stealing from others is most definitely “stuck on stupid”


96 posted on 07/27/2017 1:48:53 PM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
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To: Mr Rogers
Two things:

1) Her name is Gloria Navarro, not Ana. I'm older now and I was using the name of the Cuban activist, who is a political right winger. Gotta stop working from memory exclusively...

2) "She is as fully an American as you are". Nope. That's the crap that Raul Grijalva and his Aztlanista Reconquistadores have been trying to get me to say since oh...about 1971. Ain't true. Other then my Orange Irish grandmother, my families go back to well before the Revolution. 10 generations on Dad's side, 13 on Mom's. Belittle that all you want, but the point for me and my kids is: we got nowhere but here. We don't have the country next door to escape to. And we don't want it to look like "there", or for us to be ruled by them. Her allegiance is obviously still to them, doesn't matter that she was born here. It might have been different if a human tidal wave from the failed thugocracies of South America hadn't rolled over us. But it did, and it is now the central issue for the continued existence of the United States.

And you still don't seem to have learned the point about nationality: it ain't the same as Race, so stick your racism comment right back where the sun don't shine. "Hispanic" is not a race, it's a linguistic cohort. Lotsa blue eyed blondes in Spain, have been for thousands of years.

"Judge" Navarro was put on the bench precisely because she's a descendant of Los Conquistadors. Nixon screwed that up in '70 when he added them to the list of Protected Classes (How Richard Nixon Invented Hispanics) . There is absolutely NO reason the descendants of former enemy nations should have their very own Affirmative Action compartment - what's next, Protected Status for Bolsheviks? We already know that the Democrat party is trying to make "Undocumented Alien" a protected class.

Would have been unthinkable in 1980, much less 1950.

Navarro by her associations, actions, rhetoric and history has shown her prejudices, and unfortunately now has the power to wreak vengeance for her people's losses in their never ending war against us. Which is why I say she's an alien and a foreigner: it's about loyalty. It's obscene that she can stand in judgement of any American.

You lived in Tucson since 1971? That's nice. I can tell you that in 1960, Spanish was not only unheard, it was considered rude to speak it in public. The fact that at one point in history it had been Spanish land - because the Pope said so! - was considered a historical artifact, nothing more. Up until the '70s, it was 90% "non-hispanic" white as we are called now. And the other 10% were under heavy pressure to assimilate. There was only one small paper that was in Spanish and one radio station. The Alianza had long since disappeared, although it resurrected as the National Council of La Raza (which does mean "the race", no matter how much Janet Murguia wants to dissemble about it). Even South Tucson only had a few Spanish signs. I remember seeing the first one about 1973 - I was shocked. In America? You can't do that!

But they did and they will. For them, conquest is about never giving up - why do you think every other ethnicity dropped their language and learned English, and why do you think that to this day, they fight relentlessly to get TUSD to teach everything in Spanish?

IT IS A WAR to them. Maybe they haven't got the weapons we have, but they have patience and our weaknesses to exploit. I mean, can you point to any WASP judges in Mexico? Any special treatment in law? It's to laugh. Not no, but hell no.

Not surprising. They don't want to be judged by us. And vice versa.

97 posted on 07/27/2017 1:49:01 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: taxcontrol

Yeah, no. He wasn’t stealing anything.


98 posted on 07/27/2017 2:01:38 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Regulator

Hate to break it to you, but you don’t need to be a WASP - White, Anglo_Saxon Protestant - to be a good American. Shame you think otherwise. Shame you spew your views here.


99 posted on 07/27/2017 2:02:48 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
That is racism, pure and simple. It is repulsive.

You could only conclude that if you buy into the dishonest interpretation of the 14th amendment that concludes anchor babies are citizens at birth. And your belief will destroy America. Those babies have no allegiance to America as founded (see the racist judge in question).

100 posted on 07/27/2017 2:09:31 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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