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Russia Says It Has Plans For Not One, but Two More All-New Combat Aircraft
The Drive ^ | July 19, 2017 | JOSEPH TREVITHICK

Posted on 07/19/2017 6:24:05 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Russia has announced it is looking to start work on two all new combat jet designs, a fifth-generation successor to the supersonic MiG-31 Foxhound interceptor called the PAK DP and an as yet unnamed short or vertical takeoff and landing carrier fighter jet to go along with the country’s equally ambitious naval modernization plans. Though these would be significant additions to the country’s arsenal, other such aircraft programs have repeatedly proven to be complex and costly and it could be years before the Russian military actually gets these planes into service, if it ever does.

On July 14, 2017, Russian officials and representatives from MiG said there was a basic concept in the works for a MiG-31 replacement and that a formal research and development program would start some time in 2019. Then, at the MAKS 2017 air show in Zhukovsky on July 18, 2017, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov revealed that the Kremlin was in talks with the country’s aviation industry about a new fighter design, ostensibly to go along with stalled plans for a new supercarrier.

"We are currently developing the concept of a long-range interceptor aircraft to bring a proposal to our main customer [the Russian Defense Ministry]," Ilya Tarasenko, MiG’s director general told journalists on July 14, 2017, according to Russian state-run outlet Sputnik. “I hope that in the near future we will start research and development work [pertaining to the new plane].”

Russian Aerospace Forces chief Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev confirmed the broad plans for the new PAK DP. The Russian air arm desperately needs this plane as it expects the existing MiG-31s will start hitting the end of their life cycles before 2030. Derived from the MiG-25 Foxbat, the Foxhound first flew in 1975 and the last aircraft rolled off the production line in 1994. The aircraft have a service ceiling of more than 67,000 feet and can reach Mach 2.8 at that altitude.

Like the Foxbats, the Foxhounds were primarily interceptors, intended to shoot down incoming American bombers in the event of a major war between the Soviet Union, its allies, and NATO. But while the MiG-25’s design was geared toward high-altitude missions against then state-of-the-art supersonic bombers, such as the B-58 Hustler and the planned follow-on XB-70 Valkyrie, the MiG-31’s main target was low-flying “penetrating” B-1 Bones and B-52 Stratorfortresses.

As such, engineers at MiG made sure the Foxhounds had significantly improved low-level performance, as well as phased array radars and long-range weapons with look-down-shoot-down capabilities. So, in addition to being able to engage low- and fast-flying aircraft like the B-1, this also meant the MiG-31s had the ability to detect and shoot down cruise missiles. The interceptors still had good high altitude performance, too.

After the Cold War, though the overall size of the fleet shrunk, Russia continued flying and updating the remaining MiG-31. In 2015, the Russian military introduced the latest upgraded versions, known as the MiG-31BM. The updated aircraft included a host of new or improved avionics, fire control, communication, and navigation equipment.

Most notably, however, the BM models have two encrypted digital datalinks, one for talking to command centers on the ground and another for sharing information other aircraft, including additional MiG-31BMs, as well as the latest iterations of the MiG-29 Fulcrum and advanced members of the Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker family. This level of networking gives pilots in the MiG-31 additional situational awareness, as well as providing additional capabilities to other fighter jets that may lack its powerful sensors.

And despite their age, the MiG-31s seem important as ever to Russia’s integrated air defense scheme. By design, the jet's high speed and long range make it ideally suited to rapidly responding to potential threats even in the country's most remote regions, especially territory close to or above the Arctic Circle.

In 2015, four of the jets demonstrated off their capabilities by reportedly shooting down an air-launched Kh-55 cruise missile with the help of an A-50 early warning radar aircraft. Earlier in July 2017, the Russian Navy released video claiming one of its Foxhounds had knocked down a supersonic cruise missile in the stratosphere during an exercise. As part of the Kremlin’s expanding interest in space-based warfare, there are also reports that the Russian Aerospace Forces are considering developing an anti-satellite weapon for the MiG-31BMs.

But the MiG-31 is showing its age with a decidedly unstealthy shape full of hard angles lifted largely from its 1960s-era Foxbat predecessors that would make it increasingly vulnerable to advanced air defenses and stealthy enemy fighters. With the youngest jets being more than 20 years old, the basic condition of the airframes can only become more and more of serious issue, as well.

Though the aircraft undoubtedly still have more life in them, the process of developing and testing the low-observable fifth-generation PAK DP, as well as the systems to go inside it, is likely to be long and expensive. The experience of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter shows that the complexity of next generation fighter jets can make for exhaustively costly programs that span decades rather than years. The Russians don’t even have to look abroad to know this, having encountered many of these issues already with their T-50/PAK FA fighter jet and PAK DA bomber projects.

Despite initial plans to have built 150 of Sukhoi’s T-50 stealth fighter by 2020, the Kremlin has now scaled that back to a buy of just a dozen aircraft. This year, after more than seven years of flight testing, the Russian military hopes to finally take delivery of the 10th and 11th pre-production prototypes. The program has been beset by delays, accidents, and rumors of massive design changes, along with very public criticism from India, which has become an increasingly frustrated partner in the endeavor.

In particular, the T-50's engines have been a major problem. If MiG expects the Foxhound replacement to closely match the older aircraft's top speeds and "super cruise," all while lugging around large long-range missiles, it would likely need bigger and likely more complex turbines. There are real questions about whether existing Russian aircraft engines would be up to the task and developing an all new powerplant could drag out the development timeline.

The Kremlin has similarly slow-rolled Tupolev's PAK DA bomber, which has reportedly been in the works since at least 2008. Despite nearly a decade of development and the expectation that the first prototype will take to the sky in 2019, there hasn't even been any official concept art of the design. Now, the Russian government wants to restart production of the older Tu-160 Blackjack, which would seem to be a tacit admission that its new stealth bomber is still a long way off.

KEN VIDEAN VIA WIKIMEDIA

The Yak-141 prototype hovers at the Farnborough Airshow in 1992.

And all of this applies doubly to any plans for a new short or vertical take-off and landing capable jet fighter, an uncommon type of aircraft that no Russian manufacturer has built even as a prototype since the cancellation of the Yakovlev Yak-41/141 in the early 1990s. The Russian aircraft maker famously sold much of the technical design package for that aircraft to Lockheed Martin, which used it as a jumping off point in developing the F-35. At present, the F-35B is the only vertical take-off and landing fighter in active production anywhere in the world.

In the 1990s, Yakovlev reportedly proposed a follow-on design to the -41, known as the Yak-43, but there is no evidence this ever proceeded beyond the conceptual stage. Deputy Defense Minister Borisov said that any future design would be derived from the old Yaks, but it’s not clear how useful those designs might be to an all-new development, even one that only offered similar capabilities to late fourth generation fighters.

It's not immediately clear why the Russian Navy would need this type of fighter, or any new carrier fighter at all. The service’s only carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, does not have any such aircraft in its air wing at present, relying instead on navalized Fulcrums and Flankers instead. After returning from a debacle of a deployment to the Middle East earlier in 2017, with its aircraft suffering a number of accidents while taking off and landing, Kuznetsov is now set for a major overhaul. This effectively leaves Russia without any carriers, or the need for specific carrier aircraft, whatsoever for the foreseeable future.

Even when and if it ultimately returns to service, the last of the new MiG-29KRs only entered service in 2016 making it odd that there would already be a need for another new carrier fighter. In addition, the Indian Navy has reported significant issues with its own MiG-29K aircraft, including persistent engine and airframe problems, all leading to low availability rates. So, money for a new carrier fighter might be better used to make sure the latest existing models work properly.

Russia is supposedly looking to build a line of Lavina-class amphibious assault ships, a replacement for a planned fleet of Franco-Russian made Mistral class ships. The French had canceled this deal in response to Russia's invasion of Crimea in 2014. This new amphibious assault ship is reportedly configured for helicopter operations only, but could potentially field a fighter matching Deputy Defense Minister Borisov's basic description and operate in a similar way as the American "Gator Navy" flattops with their AV-8B Harriers and F-35B Joint Strike Fighters. But it remains questionable if Russia could even build a ship as big and complex as the proposed Lavina-class, so developing a niche STOVL fighter for it seems frivolous to say the least.

Beyond the actual development of the aircraft, Russia’s economic difficulties and international political realities could easily make it even more difficult to build and field both the PAK DP interceptor and the new carrier fighter. Starting in 2014, the global price of oil, one of the Russian government’s primary sources of revenue, began to drop. That same year, the Kremlin seized control of Ukraine’s Crimea region and began actively supporting separatists fighting that country’s government, triggering widespread international condemnation and sanctions.

Foreign pressure has only increased as Moscow continues to support Syrian dictator Bashar al Assad in his brutal effort to suppress a long running rebellion against his regime. The Kremlin's international relationships and allegiances could potentially impact export sales of the PAK DP, something that might help spread out the cost of its development. This is especially true given the otherwise growing fifth generation fighter market.

DMITRY ZHERDIN VIA WIKIMEDIA

Sukhoi's long in development T-50 stealth fighter.

Of course, MiG designed the original Foxhounds with Russia's needs in mind specifically and there have been no export sales of the type to date. This would likely continue to be the case with the PAK DP. Regardless, the Russians don't appear to be having much trouble making new inroads into various world arms markets, including the Middle East and Africa, and there are reports that the country is looking to team up with the United Arab Emirates on a new fighter aircraft.

Though defense spending to modernize the country’s armed forces remains a clear Kremlin priority, there is an ever present question about how Moscow intends to pay for all of these programs on top of existing plans. Just in March 2017, the Russian Federal Treasury publicly released budget figures that showed significant cuts to the military in the upcoming fiscal cycle of somewhere between 10 and 25 percent.

In addition to the aforementioned gutting of the expected T-50 purchases, this has already apparently stymied plans for the aircraft carriers the new carrier fighters would reportedly fly off of, as well as threatening work on new amphibious assault ships that could potentially benefit from the aircraft as well. Even Russia's much touted advanced battlecruiser design has been put on indefinite hold, along with new nuclear-powered destroyers, due to fiscal limitations, according to some sources. There are also new submarines and ice breakers to squeeze into any future budget. And PAK DP and the new carrier fighter would be in immediate competition with the PAK DA bomber and the Tu-160 restart project over this increasingly limited pool of money as well.

At present, Russia expects to begin buying production T-50 stealth fighters in 2018. If that timeframe hold true, and there’s no guarantee it will, this suggests the Kremlin won’t be purchasing the final PAK DP aircraft until 2030 at the earliest. When the Russian Navy might see a new carrier fighter, or a new ship to carry it, is anyone’s guess.

Update: Shortly after posting this story, Russia announced that it is also going to field a 5th generation light fighter that will "be developed by 2025." Once again, any information on how the country was planning on paying for yet another high-end weapons system development program has not been released.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; mig31; russia

1 posted on 07/19/2017 6:24:05 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

A decade of reading Russian announcements about amazing new systems, vehicles and planes for their armed forces and they’ve still got a rust bucket military, mostly cold war vintage and a navy that doesn’t set to sea without some tugs. It’s getting embarrassing.


2 posted on 07/19/2017 6:34:09 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

That T-50 would light up every IR detector within 150 Km.

By the time the next gen of USSWas (as opposed to USSAre) a/c are really fielded, we will have the pilots out of the a/c.

No pilot in a/c and you have 20g turns, 360x360x360 200 power vision in both viable and IR spectrums, no SRR, no ejection seat, no weight and complications of pressurization, etc., computer-created kill solutions, weapons strength lasers, no egos, no all-night parties at the O Club, etc.


3 posted on 07/19/2017 6:52:23 PM PDT by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

With oil prices in the crapper, good luck with supplying the masses with the butter. Planes aren’t going to calm the masses Vladi.


4 posted on 07/19/2017 7:01:58 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Natufian

“A decade of reading Russian announcements about amazing new systems, vehicles and planes for their armed forces and they’ve still got a rust bucket military, mostly cold war vintage and a navy that doesn’t set to sea without some tugs. It’s getting embarrassing”.

I hope you aren’t complaining.

I do see your good points.


5 posted on 07/19/2017 7:12:55 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Russia Says It Has Plans For Not One, but Two More All-New Combat Aircraft

"Plans" doesn't equal "Money". Can they actually afford to build these things, or do they need some wealthy client nation to fund the effort?
6 posted on 07/19/2017 7:58:02 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Strac6

America’s natural ally


7 posted on 07/19/2017 8:00:24 PM PDT by vooch (America First)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Do you know where money comes from? No, not exporting oil and natural gas.

It comes from central banks. They create it whimsically. The Fed created $4.1 Trillion to claw out from the 2008 crisis. It was created from NOTHINGNESS. Thin air.

Russia has their own central bank. They are food self sufficient. They are oil self sufficient (the US is not, imports 9 million barrels every day).

If they want those planes, they just print the money to build them. If someone wants to adjust the ruble/dollar ratio in response, they can just remove the ruble from trading and peg it, like the Chinese do.

Don’t ever think money means anything special to policy. Central banks took all that over.


8 posted on 07/19/2017 8:02:53 PM PDT by Owen
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Russia has some brilliant aerospace design teams. They are talented and come up with designs equal to US designs and often can get built faster and cheaper. Even so, the Russian economy and government can’t afford the newest designs when it comes to numbers that can be afforded. Russians are stoic but do not want to return to the civilian shortages and poverty of the Soviet era. Better both Russia and our US decide to not be opponents as we both need to be able to counter Muslim terrorism and the rise of Red China as a hostile world power.


9 posted on 07/19/2017 8:06:47 PM PDT by RicocheT (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: Strac6

Welcome to Skynet.


10 posted on 07/19/2017 8:46:56 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: Strac6

And a nice big hackable weapon that can be redirected to attack its makers, plus if you make them teleoperated with no AI support, you get a big lag in control - at least a quarter to half a second, which is lethal in air combat.


11 posted on 07/19/2017 9:28:28 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

India will cheerfully pay for it. Go look at where they bought their aircraft from, go look at who they’re working with on their Brahmos missiles, look at where India got their tanks from, etc., etc.


12 posted on 07/19/2017 9:30:11 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: laplata

Not complaining at all. All their talk is probably for domestic consumption.


13 posted on 07/20/2017 1:41:04 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Owen

The Fed has the dollar, the Russians have the rouble. Just print the latter without end and you get Weimar levels of inflation. Also, they might have oil and food but they don’t have the technology to build the stuff.


14 posted on 07/20/2017 1:47:49 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

The Fed printed $4 trillion and here we are. American Weimar?

As for tech, you can live without iPhones. Not without food.


15 posted on 07/20/2017 7:45:44 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Natufian

Oh, and as for poor tech, ask the ISS crew how they got there and how they will get home.


16 posted on 07/20/2017 7:47:58 AM PDT by Owen
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To: sukhoi-30mki
interesting that past the laminar boundary layer transition region they just say screw it and don't even bother covering the engines
17 posted on 07/20/2017 3:45:27 PM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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