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To: Spktyr

>Yes, actually, we can - because the Russians came to an entirely different conclusion that’s worked out just about as well in reality:

I don’t know much about attack choppers, but after looking at the failures of the Apaches in Iraq didn’t the Russians have a better solution with their attack choppers?


6 posted on 07/18/2017 10:04:25 PM PDT by JohnyBoy
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To: JohnyBoy

Did the Apache “fail” in Iraq? Several countries have purchased it after the Iraq invasion.


8 posted on 07/18/2017 10:15:02 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: JohnyBoy

Yes and no. The Apache is more technically capable, but the Hind is still their mainstay attack/limited transport chopper and the platform’s so old all the bugs have long since been exterminated. The Hind is also more heavily armored and rugged.

Typically, Russian helicopters trade off some advanced technology for a great deal of simplicity, reliability and ruggedness. Russian choppers are designed for minimal maintenance performed by undertrained conscripts and they do very well in service in less advanced countries like the third world. Western choppers require skilled maintenance technicians and generally more maintenance per flight hour.

Or, put another way - an Apache is mostly going to be a better tank hunter-killer when it’s on the battlefield when compared to a Ka-50/52M. But it’s going to be down for maintenance more so it will be on the battlefield less and it is easier to achieve a mission kill and force the Apache to have to RTB than it will be for any of the Russian counterparts.


15 posted on 07/18/2017 11:16:20 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: JohnyBoy

The Apache’s were mis-used in a famous battle where they went in deep rather than as part of a coordinated Air-Ground Mech assault. That interdiction mission should have gone to the USAF. CAS is the attack helo’s game.


32 posted on 07/19/2017 3:32:51 AM PDT by Tallguy (Twitter short-circuits common sense. Please engage your brain before tweeting.)
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To: JohnyBoy

In Red Dawn, A Hind took a direct hit from an RPG and kept on going!


39 posted on 07/19/2017 5:33:34 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan
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