West Can Neither Live With nor Take Out North Korean Nukes

North Korea recently test-launched a long-range missile capable of reaching Alaska.

When North Korea eventually builds a missile capable of reaching the U.S. mainland, it will double down on its well-known shakedown of feigning indifference to American deterrence while promising to take out Los Angeles, San Francisco or Seattle unless massive aid is delivered to Pyongyang.

Kim Jong Un rightly assumes that wealthy Western nations would prefer to pay bribe money than suffer the loss of a city -- and that they have plenty of cash for such concessions. He is right that the medicine of taking out Kim's missiles is considered by Western strategists to be even worse than the disease of living with a lunatic regime that has nukes.

No wonder that the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations had few answers to serial North Korean lying and deceit about its nuclear intentions.

Sanctions were eventually dropped or watered down either on reports of the mass starvation of innocent North Korean civilians or on false promises of better North Korean behavior.

China publicly promised to help reign in its unhinged client while privately doing nothing. Apparently, Beijing found a rabid North Korean government useful in bothering rivals such as the Japanese and South Koreans while keeping the U.S. off balance in Asia and the Pacific. The dynamic economies and pacifism of Japan, South Korea and Taiwan were taken for granted by China as easy targets for coercion and blackmail.

Your lengthy reply deserves a follow up.

“There actually are conservatives there - for example, I have a son and dear friend there—they stay BECAUSE OF JOBS. If you can make a good living there, you put up with the liberal crap. Frankly for my son, it is the only area in the US where his work is located, so “getting the hell out” is not an option, and why would he want to if he can make $200,000+/year?”

So, because your son wants to make big bucks in California and doesn’t want to be bothered to relocate, some soldier or sailor that probably came from the patriotic hinterlands should give his life fighting yet another misbegotten war in a turd world hell hole defending your son’s stupidity. No thanks, Sport!

“We don’t know for certain that San Fran would be the target...so it is not a matter of defending a certain population. We defend our borders. If our borders (yes, including California) are threatened, we defend them.”

Fine, then. Let’s get our troops out of every foreign country that could and should defend themselves and get our own troops back here to defend our borders. Particularly the borders of California.

“...If San Fransisco were to be nuked,

1. Hope you have no money in Stock market. It will tank.

2. Hope you have no use of Technology...Internet search, Ebay, PayPal, Cisco-YouTube, list is endless.

3. Hope you don’t mind some disruptions on Free Republic as JR is in Fresno, 3ish hours away, and I have often read of John Robinson going to San Jose to fix FR...maybe you can give them a heads up.

4. Oh, hope you don’t mind if some of our Air Force, Coast Guard, Army and Navy personnel are killed too...There are lots of military there or nearby...”

This country already knows what it’s like to lose a major metropolitan area. We lost New Orleans to Hurricane Katrina in 2005. We discovered that the economy took the hit, the market didn’t crash, and we survived. The same would happen if SF or LA was taken out. And, with a whole lot of liberal scumbags gone, we’d be better off as a country overall. I believe that implicitly.

“To stereotype that all in San Fransisco are liberal and therefore not worthy of life really seems to go against the whole Free Republic Credo:

Welcome to Free Republic!
Conservatives for God, Family, Country!
Est. 1996

Your comment is not conservative or for God, Family and Country.”

This comment is just smarmy pseudo-patriotic drivel and crass waving of the bloody shirt. As Samuel Johnson said, “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” And I write this as a Viet Nam vet of the US Navy. So there.

We discovered that the economy took the hit, the market didn’t crash, and we survived. The same would happen if SF or LA was taken out. And, with a whole lot of liberal scumbags gone, we’d be better off as a country overall. I believe that implicitly.

It is always fascinating to find out what others are thinking... You and others with the same view of the expendable nature of people and places you don’t agree with is frightening. Value life much? Your comments are reminiscent of the progressives of the 1920s who supported eugenics...people like George Bernard Shaw or Margaret Sanger who felt THEY were to decide who should live and who should not.

To follow your rationale, folks in certain areas of the country are not deserving? of defense based on the political majority of the area?! Sorry, that is not the way it is supposed to work under our Constitution...you know, the inalienable rights? And thank God we have them to protect against ideas like yours.

“Sport,” I don’t think anyone except you said anything about troops going abroad to defend San Fran. And again, if troops go abroad to fight, it is not to defend California. It should be to defend the United States. And since there are articles on Drudge and FR today about Iran, Russia, and Norks working on ICBMs, perhaps they will have to do just that. That is one of the main things people in the military do...fight wars.

As you seem to have issues with troops going abroad to defend San Fran, let me just say there are people who live in San Fran who are CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES; and how dare you or anyone else decide that they are expendable because they live in a Blue state, or that certain cities are expendable...They may nuke Alaska...Is Alaska expendable because only a few live there? Well, they are likely conservative, so perhaps we should save them? Do you really want to go down that road?

Not that it is relevant; but my son should not have to be “bothered” with relocating in order to enjoy his rights as a citizen. My son and other CONSERVATIVES in the area may not be able to find jobs for which they are qualified in other locations...As I stated, he would have to move to South Korea to find a similar position. Know what, even if he could find a job in any one of the other 49 states or even if he were a flaming liberal, as a US citizen, he is still entitled to rights of citizenship covered under Constitution including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and national defense. Oh and excuse me for quoting the Constitution...I don’t care if that makes me a scoundrel with my patriotic drivel, etc...

Again, interesting to see your comment that if San Fran was Nuked, markets would go down but then we would recover...So it is OK? And comparing it with New Orleans? Sorry, but New Orleans is not a commerce center on par with San Fran/San Jose, and a Nuke hit is not a hurricane. To say there would not be a huge impact if San Fran is nuked is just foolish (I said nothing about LA???, you did.). How many high net worth companies are located in New Orleans as compared to The Bay Area?

Interesting though that some people felt that New Orleans was expendable and that we should not go in and rebuild it. There were many low income folks displaced, etc. Probably Dems...Were you one of those folks, too?

“And I write this as a Viet Nam vet of the US Navy. So there.” Talk about smarmy...Well fine, but seems you find the Navy and other service personnel in the Bay Area expendable as you had nothing to say about those folks’ fate in a Nuke missile attack...

So you did not like my comment about FR being about God, Family and Country...Accuse me of being a scoundrel LOL. Sure whatever. I’d rather be accused of being a scoundrel than a eugenicist... which is the road you are going down and it is chilling....

To that end if you really want to go down the road about deciding who deserves to live/the rights citizenship such as defense, I will throw out that perhaps the criteria should be something else...lineage...My son descends from the Mayflower, so if you want to discuss who deserves what, then perhaps he deserves citizenship more than most (even you?) as he has had many ancestors and relatives who fought to defend this country...in many wars including Viet Nam.

So there.

If you or your son think the Norks should be taken out so that he can make big bucks in California and you can defend every America-hating liberal lefty in California or anywhere else, then I vote for you two to shoulder a rifle and go there to make that happen. As a free, independent citizen I vote to let you two have at it, but I also vote that you get to take only those others who agree with you so that the only blood spilled is that of those of you who are of like mind.

I have lived my long life to see this country embroiled in a constant state of war in Indochina, the Caribbean, the Middle East, Africa, and everywhere else in between for over 50 years. We now have had two wars going on in Iraq and Afghanistan for over 16 freaking years, with no end in sight. I am in the growing group of Americans, who actually were the ones who elected Trump, who want this country extricated from never-ending warfare caused by totalitarian, militaristic policies that is destroying what is left of the freedom and liberty we used to have in the late, great USA. We do not need bloody minded warmongers egging on yet more wars.

You really have some issues, Sport. Though some will post comments here like “California should fall into the sea,” most are merely expressing frustration and are not actually serious about expendability...You seem serious and if so, you really are thinking like a progressive of the George Bernard Shaw wing of progressivism.

You put words in my mouth...I am not a war monger and never said US troops should be sent to North Korea to take out Norks so my son can make big bucks...Envy much? Maybe instead of Mayflower (and DAR) lineage as the expendability parameter, we should look at taxes paid...son pays a lot in taxes...a lot.

Just like my last post, I am very glad there is a Constitution so you don’t get to vote on my life with your progressive eugenic tendencies. To say “I also vote that you get to take only those others who agree with you...” indicates that you have the same thinking as the left, Sport, and you seem full of contempt for anyone who disagrees with you as you have now expanded your comments that not only my son and I should tote rifles, but now we are to take anyone who agrees with me, etc.——we are expendable, thinking just like the leftist groups. So glad you don’t get to choose because your thinking is scary.

I will say that unlike all your mentioned war theaters where the USA was not under direct threat of missile attack (I am excluding Cuba as it was over 50 years ago) as I pointed out, Drudge and FR had articles yesterday and even today about Norks, Iran, Russia working on ICBMs to aim at US. Norks actually have them. Someone/something is going to have to stop them before they Nuke us...reports indicate these missiles may be able to go a lot farther than your expendable San Fran, maybe they will hit an area of the country that YOU care about and YOU feel deserves defending...

Again, I don’t know what you think is the purpose of our military if it is not to defend the country~the entire country—not just the parts you like. I will agree with you that the non-stop wars since WWII in which we have been involved have had little to do with defending USA. You even participated in one... However, in this day and age, ignoring the threat of nuclear Norks, Iranians, etc. like we have for past decades has not served us well. Clinton aided and abetted Norks. George Bush should have a done something about all of it and didn’t. Obama aided and abetted Iran and was useless in any war efforts. So now the grownups need to deal with this and other ignored problems as they are coming to a head.

So you are special...

You are “in the growing group of Americans, who actually were the ones who elected Trump, who want this country extricated from never-ending warfare caused by totalitarian, militaristic policies that is destroying what is left of the freedom and liberty we used to have in the late, great USA.”

Hey Sport, I don’t want the country in never-ending warfare caused by totalitarian militaristic policies. However, since President Trump’s election, the Norks, Iranians, and Russians have ramped up their efforts, so even our President realizes something will have to be done...and that something probably will have to do with China strong-arming the Norks to stop, etc. Not troops on the ground.

Oh, and BTW, I am special too...I supported Trump—even before he announced as I was following him hoping he would throw his hat in the ring. So I, too, voted for President Trump. Oh and I gave him money and went to his rallies—before you were even a member here.

So there...

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