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Controversy in the “Climate Science Trial of the Century”
The New American ^ | 10 July 2017 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 07/11/2017 3:16:12 PM PDT by detective

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Fraudulent Climate Scientist Michael Mann has lied consistently about his so called research. Now he is suing anyone who questions him. It appears Mann is in contempt of court in his lawsuit.
1 posted on 07/11/2017 3:16:12 PM PDT by detective
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It appears Mann is in contempt of court

Michael 'Piltdown' Mann is in contempt of humanity. He's perpetrated the greatest, costliest, scientific hoax in history.

2 posted on 07/11/2017 3:26:22 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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bkmk


3 posted on 07/11/2017 3:50:13 PM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is Mine)
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I've known a few actual scientists in my day, actually worked with some of them over a period of years. Physicists, chemists, professors of engineering.

Thinking back on them, they all looked intelligent. They all had very sharp, clear eyes. Every one.

Michael Mann is the dumbest looking scientist I've ever seen. If he even is a scientist, which I doubt.

I've never known a scientist who would even dream of suing someone who disagreed with their research. Those I have known would have never even have spoken of such a plan of action in jest. Absolutely inconceivable. They would be afraid they'd never again be taken seriously by any of the colleagues if they did such a thing, I am quite sure.

4 posted on 07/11/2017 4:03:13 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Liberals think in propaganda)
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Being of the “look before you leap” persuasion, I think it’s a little early to celebrate Mann’s demise. I sincerely hope the fraudulent a$$ is held in contempt but I’ll wait to celebrate until the Canadian court actually makes a ruling. Politics has a way of swaying justice I’m sad to say and our Canadian friends seem to be riding high on the AGW bandwagon.


5 posted on 07/11/2017 4:13:59 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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Worst of all, in contempt of God.

Such chutzpah laden bullshit artistry is the satanic mockery of faith.

Just watch. I wager a wave of actual faith in God with robust witnesses of miracles is coming down the pike.


6 posted on 07/11/2017 4:41:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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I always thought Mark Stein should relish the opportunity to get Mann in a courtroom. I am sure Mark could produce volumes of expert testimony only rivaled by that produced for the Nuremburg Trails.


7 posted on 07/11/2017 5:06:52 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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Stein is going top mop the floor with this guy if they ever get to court. I would almost feel sorry for MM if I had any compassion for commies. Instead I’ll just pop some corn and enjoy the show.


8 posted on 07/11/2017 5:40:46 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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It appears Mann is in contempt of court in his lawsuit.

Or not. Most of the stories on the subject that I've seen here on FR appear to have been written by folks with an agenda who couldn't find a courthouse with a map.

I have no idea what Canadian law is on the subject, but in the US, there tends to be a lot of paperwork generated between the issuance of a subpoena and a ruling on a contempt motion.

If any writer would post pleadings, instead of spin, maybe we could figure out what is going on. If there are a mountain of pleadings with battling Motions for Protective Orders and Motions for contempt, then maybe there is some fire. But given the strong statement by the 'scientist's' attorney, I suspect that he is the one closest to the truth.

Until then, I'm taking all of the bloggers with a grain of salt, although I'll charitably call it ignorance rather than intentional falsehood.

9 posted on 07/11/2017 5:49:23 PM PDT by PAR35
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Nice perspective, Steely Tom. Makes great sense.


10 posted on 07/11/2017 5:56:31 PM PDT by poconopundit (FR: Self-Reliant Lovers of Liberty who can't stop the Chatter)
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Canada has fewer lawyers. They don’t need to generate so much make work.


11 posted on 07/11/2017 6:17:30 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Winter is coming)
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Michael Mann - arch Climate Scientologist! All praise saints Hubbard, Barnum, Ponzi and the Holy Lysenko.


12 posted on 07/11/2017 6:26:21 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Only the dead have seen an end to war.")
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Rule 7-1 deals with document production in BC. It doesn’t look very different from the Federal Rules. It does look like they’ve made an effort to render it into simple English.

http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/168_2009_01


13 posted on 07/11/2017 6:32:27 PM PDT by PAR35
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I tend to agree....it ain’t over until the fat lady sings.

In this case, Mann’s lawyers had to suspect this requirement to show the data would come up, and he had to know this day would come. The court is in a tough position because if they let Mann off this data requirement...there is a massive hole in the whole case.

I’m kinda betting that no contempt of court episode will occur but the judge will urge both parties to just quietly settle and end the mess.


14 posted on 07/11/2017 6:48:02 PM PDT by pepsionice
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Before they get there, Mann’s lawyers will probably argue that the data isn’t under his custody or control.

I do suspect that the ball is probably in Ball’s court (no pun intended). And Mann probably has a lot bigger war chest to play with since Global Warming is big business.


15 posted on 07/11/2017 7:27:13 PM PDT by PAR35
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“there tends to be a lot of paperwork generated between the issuance of a subpoena and a ruling on a contempt motion.”

From the article:

“Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions. The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the deadline.”

The facts seem straightforward. Refusing to provide information ordered by the court is contempt.

However, I have seen things occur in courts that would strain the credibility of even the most cynical.


16 posted on 07/13/2017 2:24:27 PM PDT by detective
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Saying that you will agree to a continuance on a condition and having the court order the condition to be met are two completely different things.

If things are straightforward, the defense attorney should state them in a straightforward way. Instead, it seems to be the plaintiff that is making fairly clear statements.

Again, if there IS a court order, it should clear up the confusion fairly quickly. The fact that the defense isn’t waving around such an order says a lot to me.

No doubt the plaintiff can afford the best lawyer. But I’m still waiting to see the paper rather than the spin I’ve seen thus far. I tend not to think well of folks who appear to be trying to pull the wool over my eyes.


17 posted on 07/13/2017 4:40:12 PM PDT by PAR35
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“Saying that you will agree to a continuance on a condition and having the court order the condition to be met are two completely different things.”

Thanks for your comments.

If what you say is correct then Mann agreed to provide the data. This was probably in response to Mann’s not fulfilling a prior discovery request.

Mann later reneged on his agreement.

The disagreement about what the court ordered is probably a dispute over specificity and completeness of information.

I am only guessing because the complete information was not in the article.


18 posted on 07/14/2017 10:47:47 AM PDT by detective
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If what you say is correct then Mann agreed to provide the data.

I'm not sure where you are getting that.

Just as likely something along these lines:
Me: Judge, we want to mediate to see if we can get this off your docket.
You: I'm willing to mediate if he gets me the documents I want.
Me: Judge, we can either try to work this out or put this on your trial calendar.
Judge: I'll set this for a status hearing in 90 days. Let me know if it settles before then. (OR) I order you all to mediate this by x date. If you can't agree on a mediator, I'll appoint one.

I don't know how it works there, but here federal courts routinely order mediation as a matter of course, or a settlement hearing in front of a magistrate judge. State courts may vary.

19 posted on 07/14/2017 2:39:09 PM PDT by PAR35
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Here is more detail on the case.

Mann refused to provide data in fraudulent lawsuit, and then asked that the fraudulent lawsuit be delayed.

Dr. Tim Ball told colleagues at Principia Scientific International (PSI):

“What my lawyers did was demand a series of concessions, all of which were agreed. I can’t discuss the details but, under the circumstances, it is a good outcome.”

http://principia-scientific.org/breaking-key-un-climate-fraudster-makes-concessions-tim-ball-lawsuit/


20 posted on 07/17/2017 10:12:01 AM PDT by detective
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