Posted on 06/21/2017 7:52:09 AM PDT by Kaslin

There's a tension so deep in how we think about free expression, it should rightly be called a paradox.
On the one hand, regardless of ideology, artists and writers almost unanimously insist that they do what they do to change minds. But the same artistes, auteurs and opiners recoil in horror when anyone suggests that they might be responsible for inspiring bad deeds.
Hollywood, the music industry, journalism, political ideologies, even the Confederate flag: Each takes its turn in the dock when some madman or fool does something terrible.
The arguments against free speech are stacked and waiting for these moments like weapons in a gladiatorial armory. There's no philosophical consistency to when they get picked up and deployed, beyond the unimpeachable consistency of opportunism.
Hollywood activists blame the toxic rhetoric of right-wing talk radio or the tea party for this crime, the National Rifle Association blames Hollywood for that atrocity. Liberals decry the toxic rhetoric of the right, conservatives blame the toxic rhetoric of the left.
When attacked -- again heedless of ideology or consistency -- the gladiators instantly trade weapons. The finger-pointers of five minutes ago suddenly wax righteous in their indignation that mere expression -- rather, their expression -- should be blamed. Many of the same liberals who pounded soapboxes into pulp at the very thought of labeling record albums with violent-lyrics warnings instantly insisted that Sarah Palin had Rep. Gabby Giffords' blood on her hands. Many of the conservatives who spewed hot fire at the suggestion that they had any culpability in an abortion clinic bombing, gleefully insisted that Sen. Bernie Sanders is partially to blame for Rep. Steve Scalise's fight with death.
And this is where the paradox starts to come into view: Everyone has a point.
"The blame for violent acts lies with the people who commit them, and with those who explicitly and seriously call for violence," Dan McLaughlin, my National Review colleague, wrote in the Los Angeles Times last week. "People who just use overheated political rhetoric, or who happen to share the gunman's opinions, should be nowhere on the list."
As a matter of law, I agree with this entirely. But as a matter of culture, it's more complicated.
I have always thought it absurd to claim that expression cannot lead people to do bad things, precisely because it is so obvious that expression can lead people to do good things. According to legend, Abraham Lincoln told Harriet Beecher Stowe, "So you're the little woman who wrote the book that started this great war." Should we mock Lincoln for saying something ridiculous?
As Irving Kristol once put it, "If you believe that no one was ever corrupted by a book, you have also to believe that no one was ever improved by a book. You have to believe, in other words, that art is morally trivial and that education is morally irrelevant."
If words don't matter, then democracy is a joke, because democracy depends entirely on making arguments -- not for killing, but for voting. Only a fool would argue that words can move people to vote but not to kill.
Ironically, free speech was born in an attempt to stop killing. It has its roots in freedom of conscience. Before the Peace of Westphalia in 1648, the common practice was that the rulers' religion determined their subjects' faith too. Religious dissent was not only heresy but a kind of treason. After Westphalia, exhaustion with religion-motivated bloodshed created space for toleration. As the historian C.V. Wedgwood put it, the West had begun to understand "the essential futility of putting the beliefs of the mind to the judgment of the sword."
This didn't mean that Protestants instantly stopped hating Catholics or vice versa. Nor did it mean that the more ecumenical hatred of Jews vanished. What it did mean is that it was no longer acceptable to kill people simply for what they believed -- or said.
But words still mattered. Art still moved people. And the law is not the full and final measure of morality. Hence the paradox: In a free society, people have a moral responsibility for what they say, while at the same time a free society requires legal responsibility only for what they actually do.
I sure hope we don’t see a SINGLE freeper on this thread advocating for some restriction on Free Speech and Expression beyond what is already codified.
This should be a settled issue.
Following Constitution law?...or just plain following Law and Order about anything...toxic rhetoric of the right must mean people like Rush Limbaugh ,who does get a little het up at times however, 99% correct all the time...or listening to any talk radio...facts are facts...a fact that the left/progressives do not cotton to nor accept.....face it conservatives we are not only deplorable, we are poison, we spread truth.
Free speech is never a tool of virtue. It is protected so that a person can have the freedom to express his thoughts in any manner he wants, even if that hurts the feelings of others. That’s why it’s free speech.
Another pseudo intellectual pin head trying desperately to sound wise.
Trying to create a false moral equivalence between the habitual thuggery of the political left and the rare instances of it on the right is intellectually infantile.
If they are conservative, they won’t
It does not help that the left is redefining language to suit their radical needs. It is all pure Orwellian. They are at the active threat of violence stage. It will only get worse. They can get as uppity as they want and I will quote one of the worst men that I know of, Obama:”When they bring a knife, we will bring a gun”. This is why the Second Amendment is just as important as the First. The left wants to Alinsky our language and they have no pretense to weaponize language against us just like Hitler, Stalin and Mao did resulting in a half a billion dead.
Good old never Trumper Jonah Goldberg.
The only solution for speech you don’t like is more speech. Yes, free speech is always noble. God I despise these people.
There is no such thing as "Free Speech". There is "freedom of speech" which is quite a different thing.
And when you advocate for criminal acts then you are responsible (look up that word Jonah) when your sycophants do those illegal acts.
This is a concept that is well founded in law. Perhaps you should looks up "fomenting a riot" and "solicitation of murder"
Who said it was?
If they keep trying to curb the 1st, we will eventually use the 2nd.....
It’s the old adage that “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me”.
That’s why there are laws against using sticks and stones but not against words. And the fact that words may lead you to use sticks and stones doesn’t get you off the hook.
And if a war of words eventually cause a revolution then maybe the revolution is the right thing.
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