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1 posted on 06/18/2017 7:22:25 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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>>The USS Fitzgerald, an anti-ballistic missile destroyer that was part of the USS Ronald Reagan carrier strike group, will no longer be ready to defend the carrier and other ships from missile attacks launched from North Korea<<

Does the Navy have no other anti-ballistic missile destroyers in the Pacific? In the fleet? Get one on station quick. Also, issue an order to sink ANY ship that attacks.


41 posted on 06/18/2017 7:46:47 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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Collision avoidance systems on airplanes utilize transponder information to generate bright easily monitored depictions of aircraft in vicinity. Still, crews relentlessly scan surrounding airspace for visual signs of traffic. At night, obviously, traffic will disappear if not showing beacons and strobes. It seems plausible that primary radar could miss an incoming vessel with minimum cross section coming straight at you at high speed. No lights no transponder...this was an attack.


49 posted on 06/18/2017 7:51:20 AM PDT by downtownconservative
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Disturbing.


50 posted on 06/18/2017 7:53:14 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Almost a year in Arizona... and I haven't burst into flames yet.)
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It’s abject incompetence on the part of the US crew to allow themselves to be rammed at sea by any vessel.

There’s no set of circumstances that could absolve this crew.

None.


51 posted on 06/18/2017 7:54:01 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Bogus story. There have been posts of the transponder track of the cargo ship.
FAKE NEWS!

My opinion on this whole incident is that the cargo ship was outside or on the edge of the shipping lanes because of all the traffic going in the opposite direction. Look at the tracking of the cargo ship.

The Fitzgerald was loitering outside of the shipping lanes and the cargo ship crew was not paying attention.

As far as the Fitz goes, I believe there is to many chains of command to make fast decisions.

Just my humble opinion.


58 posted on 06/18/2017 7:58:53 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (I'm not tired of Winning yet! Please, continue on!)
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AIS Track showing the course and speed of the ACX Crystal during the time of collision with the USS Fitzgerald Image via MarineTraffic.com.

According to this the tracking was on.. When I saw the tracking I also thought it was very interesting maneuvering. When I saw the damage to both ships I thought interesting method of attack on a warship!

http://gcaptain.com/high-resolution-photos-us-navy-destroyer-collision/

59 posted on 06/18/2017 7:59:15 AM PDT by Lockbox
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How many other ships in that area at the time this happened?


60 posted on 06/18/2017 7:59:39 AM PDT by ColdOne ((I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11~ Best Election Ever!)
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62 posted on 06/18/2017 8:01:17 AM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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Veeeery interesting!


63 posted on 06/18/2017 8:01:32 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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"The container ship neither had its running lights or transponder on"

Someone uses those ship tracking sites should be able to check out the transponder being on or off.

64 posted on 06/18/2017 8:01:59 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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I sailed a small boat across the Pacific with two other people.
Before setting out we got some advice from an acquaintance who was also a small boat sailor.

He was also an experienced captain on a merchant ship with a large, well known company sailing regular routes back and forth across the Pacific.
He said that in his experience many merchant vessels do not keep a constant lookout or radio watch at sea in spite of the law requiring them to do so.

He recommended on taking evasive action immediately upon sighting a large vessel.

He said when he is sailing his sailboat and spots a large vessel, especially a merchant vessel,
as soon as he can discern their course he alters his course to about a 90 degree angle to theirs.

It puts as much distance as possible between the two vessels and eliminates any doubt on the
other ship as to your course and intentions (assuming they have a lookout).

Especially at night.

And that turned out to be good advice as we encountered large vessels at night with no effective
visible lights and no answer to our radio call.

Thankfully we had a small boat radar and could pick them up, calculate their course and take evasive action.


69 posted on 06/18/2017 8:06:45 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Best Long Term Prepper Tactic: Beat The Muslim Demographic Tsnami - Have Big Families)
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In the old military the word SNAFU was common. Same as Normal...All F__ked Up.

There was no way in hell that the alarm systems, radar systems and lookouts did not see the ship coming at them! However, we will never know the real story because top brass protects top brass.


74 posted on 06/18/2017 8:14:37 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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Given what little I know about the incident I’d have to conclude that the crew of the USS Fitzgerald was negligent/incompetent/improperly trained. Or some combination of those. All boaters know that it’s the primary responsibility of the smaller, more maneuverable watercraft to avoid collisions on open water regardless of the circumstances that brought the larger, less maneuverable watercraft into close proximity.


76 posted on 06/18/2017 8:15:33 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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Impossible it’s invisible without a transponder. Even the Raytheon on our old Grady White would show any vessel within its range. I’d assume modern military technology has to be way better than a late ‘90s recreational system.


82 posted on 06/18/2017 8:21:35 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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A little off topic but I saw a report several months ago that Japan has more destroyers in the Pacific than the U.S. Navy does.


87 posted on 06/18/2017 8:26:56 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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Am I wrong, or wasn’t there another “accident” in this region involving a US warship just a few weeks ago?


90 posted on 06/18/2017 8:27:41 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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My bro was a Captain at one time but of course spent many hours on watch. "Never trust a ship that's not USA flagged."

And like I said yesterday, one of my earliest thoughts was Ramming people in the Streets of Europe and ramming a ship have something in common.

99 posted on 06/18/2017 8:37:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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My question is why no evasive measures!


101 posted on 06/18/2017 8:39:08 AM PDT by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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I'll take "A U.S. Navy Filled with Incompetent Personnel" for $800, Alex.

Ten years from now I'm sure we'll find out that the captain of the U.S. ship was a pregnant transgender male wearing a p#ssy hat.

103 posted on 06/18/2017 8:39:56 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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First, I'll admit I know next to nothing about naval matters.
I do remember reading a few years ago about a navy tracking facility that can literally track every ship on the high seas by satellite so I'm guessing, if this facility exists, the navy could easily find out if this civilian vessel was darkened/and or running without radar.
104 posted on 06/18/2017 8:41:46 AM PDT by Larry381 (Gramen artificiosum odi)
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