How To Lower Your Child's IQ | Dr. Murray A. Straus and Stefan Molyneux

YouTube ^ | May 1, 2014 | Dr. Murray A. Straus / Stefan Molyneux

[Arthur McGowan]

Stefan Molyneux speaks with Dr. Murray A. Straus about the prevalence, social causes and scientifically proven negative effects of spanking.

Dr. Murray A. Straus is Professor of Sociology and founder of the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire. Dr. Straus is also the author of "The Primordial Violence: Spanking Children, Psychological Development, Violence, and Crime."

[backwoods-engineer]

You spanking prohibitionists are the real bullies. You want to take something away that God ordained. Get over it.

[mountn man]

Listen you pompous ass.

You don’t know me.
And I sure as hell don’t want to know you.

You don’t know my buddy or his family.

And you damn sure don’t know as much as you think you know.

You throw the term bully around.
Why???
Simply because I rightly called you an asshole???
Well, let me explain something ASSHOLE.

I made a comment directed at someone else, about how well my buddy has raised his kids, and how well those kids behave.

My comment was to someone else and you chirp in with your unrequested and uninformed opinion.
You don’t know my buddy or his family and yet you defame them.

You defame others, that you know nothing about.
You do it in a forum, where they aren’t involved, where they can’t defend themselves.
And you do this all from the anonymity of a computer keyboard.

Who’s the bully, ASSHOLE???

You make a statement that I seek power over children.
I didn’t make any statement as such
That there is slander, ASSHOLE.
And since you don’t know me or anything about me, or my background, that is slander.

Again, from the safety of behind a keyboard.

And you call me bully, simply for calling you ASSHOLE, which you so perfectly have represented.

According to Urban Dictionary:

Asshole:
#1-
someone being arrogant, rude, obnoxious, or just a total dickhead....

#2-
The worst kind of person. You cannot fully construct a meaning that fully encompasses what this vicious insult means. If you’re an asshole, you are disgusting, loathesome, vile, distasteful, wrathful, belligerent, agoraphobic, and more. Assholes are human fecal matter. They are the lowest of the low. They transcend all forms of immorality. It is the very worst of insults; to be called an asshole is to have your very soul ripped apart and shat on. I say that the word “asshole” is the worst cussword of the english language, worst than f**k, s**t, and c**t combined.

Personally, since you brought the term of abuse up and throw it at others so carelessly, I think you might actually be a child abuser.

I never said ANYTHING about spanking a child or raising a stick.
You have introduced that into the discussion yourself.

Again, I never mentioned alcohol.
But you did.
You accuse me of being an alcoholic.
And yet you don’t know me.
Kinda hard to be an alcoholic, when I can count all the alcoholic drinks I have, in a year, on one hand.
...And then, I don’t need all my fingers to do it.

They have a term for doing what you have done.
They call it projection.
Where someone accuses another, of the very thing they themselves do.

Hopefully you’re not married and don’t have any kids.

Unfortunately, your parents never beat any decency into you,
or the ASSHOLE out of you.

[backwoods-engineer]

"Proverbs 13:24 . KJ21. He that spareth his rod hateth his son, but he ... He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him early."

You betcha. These spanking prohibitionists are naive.

[mountn man]

In most situations, there is a better parenting option than spanking.

God disagrees.

REALLY???

Show me where in the Bible it says that spanking is the only and best source of discipline or punishment.

[backwoods-engineer]

Settle down. These spanking prohibitionists are trying to take it off the table entirely. They don't really believe "there is a better option"-- they want it REMOVED as an option.

So, where do you stand now?

[mountn man]

Settle down. These spanking prohibitionists are trying to take it off the table entirely. They don't really believe "there is a better option"-- they want it REMOVED as an option.

So, where do you stand now?

Same place I stood before you commented.

The commenter you replied to wasn't removing spanking as an option.
Exactly the opposite.

What they said was:
In most situations, there is a better parenting option than spanking.

In most situations...

Your response:
God disagrees.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that or imply that.

Words have meanings.

Pollster1 said in MOST situations.

You said that God disagrees.

Which means that God says that spanking is the ONLY option, OR the MOST appropriate.

Neither Pollster1, nor myself are saying to eliminate spanking, or sparing the rod. Just, that when used JUDICIOUSLY, that other forms of discipline can and do work. And when, those other forms don't work, THEN a spanking is appropriate.

On the other hand... You are ATTRIBUTTING TO GOD, that spankings are the most or only appropriate form of punishment or discipline.

[BobL]

Thanks, I knew from my own unspanked childhood what my kids would be like if we didn’t deal with him, so he as a huge disadvantage with me. To this day, my Mom keeps telling me that I don’t deserve my kids, they are simply too good for me, considering what I was when I was young. Obviously I don’t blame her for my upbringing (after all, I managed to stay out of jail - barely), she was doing what she was told was right, based on studies.

I also knew that if the Left takes a position on something, that I would be very, very, hard-pressed to agree with them. The left wants to ban spanking - that made the decision easy for me.

I like to use the analogy of kids and dogs. You don’t housebreak a dog by telling him the value of your flooring and politely asking him to respect it - you GET THE POINT ACROSS that there will be some level of pain when he does bad things. Pain, they (young kids and dogs) understand, negotiation is a sign of weakness.

[TheNext]

I quit reading when the first line was uncontrolled name calling, especially, on such a serious topic.

You have no business raising children.
Seriously, you should adopt them out, otherwise the child could spend half their life recovering from your projected hostility.

[mountn man]

Listen ASSHOLE,

Don't preach to me.

YOU started this.

I was talking to someone else about how great my buddy and his wife are doing raising their kids.

Then you pipe in, uninvited, saying how terrible they are and how miserable the kids are.
You don't know them.
You don't know the kids.
And you don't know me.

So, "kindly" keep your uninformed and unwanted "opinions" to yourself.

ASSHOLE!

[backwoods-engineer]

Oh, yes, I was that specific as to attribute that one word to God. Come on. “God disagrees” was in reference to spanking prohibitionists. Clear now?

[Yaelle]

I have four kids. Between the ages of 3 and 6, depending on the child, they got quick hand slaps or swats on the butt if necessary. After that age they won’t need it again. One child didn’t ever need one. A dirty look or a harsh tone in the voice had that one crying and redirecting his behavior.

Older kids make plenty of mistakes but they can be reasoned with. Natural or imposed consequences work fine after age 6, and even with kids with special needs, there is no reason to swat an older child. Figure out something with behavioral specialists for your special needs child’s dx. Someone has thought of a way.

[backwoods-engineer]

And you have no business telling anyone whether it is their business to raise kids. I would have thought I’d see stuff like this on DU, but not on FR. This is a different place that it was in 1998.