Posted on 05/08/2017 9:07:12 AM PDT by xzins
More specifically only the Senate has any trial power. The House is like a Grand Jury.
Foreigners here legally are subject to the jurisdiction of the laws. Those whose parents are Illegals are not to be citizens. So, if the parent is here with the express permission of the US a baby could be a citizen since his parents were under the jurisdiction of the law.
Good one.
Apparently the “Exceptions Clause” gives Congress the ability to limit the courts.
Article 3, Section 2 - “In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such EXCEPTIONS, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.”
According to some legal minds (me) this means Congress could tell the Ninth Circuit it cannot rule on something.
It was a joke, thus the </s > sarcasm off tag....
I have an ex, but no, I was never fleeced. I’m pleased with the settlement and I think she was too. I tried to be fair.
I joke that she has a pin cushion doll in my image!!!
Lol
The kicker for me was the dem lawyer admitting that anyone else giving the same order would be fine. The judge indicates it was “the statement” that the dems are building their case on. “The statement” was Trump saying “you know what that means”.
Apparently he said that when issuing either the first or 2nd order. The dems say he meant “we’re gonna get them muslims” and not “we’re concerned with security.”
Evidently this entire case is built on that bit of mind reading.
“The case, International Refugee Assistance v Trump, is centered on a battle between presidential authority and the rights of foreigners to travel to the United States. “
Except that foreigner DO NOT have a “right” to enter the country.
tired&retired wrote:
“I live in constant fear that Trump will deport my illegal alien ex-wife who lives at 23 N 32nd Street, New York NY. Third floor apt 311. She arrive home around 5 PM.</s >
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You pulled that one outta the phonebook...
Regardless of the jurisdiction at birth, if they aren't under US jurisdiction they aren't subject to US laws.
Jurisdiction is largely a matter of geography. If you move, the jurisdiction changes. It doesn't matter where you were born, it matters where you are (or where you were when the act in question occurred.)
I listened.
Seems to me from all their talk that they are deciding this on the basis of their opinion on what Trump meant by “you know what I mean” when he signed it.
Most of them don’t think the words of the law matter one iota. Or the nationality of the person.
“You pulled that one outta the phonebook...”
No, just totally fabricated the address... No references... Sure hope there is no illegal alien at that address. I am only vaguely familiar with NYC.
Thank you xzins for that reply. I wasn’t able to see or hear it. I appreciate it FRiend.
I am watching the replay on C-SPAN1 and I agree with your assessment.
They’re into mind reading. To hell with literal purpose and intent = national security. No, they must get into mind reading.
LOL they're making up their own law as they go along. Maybe this is what Trump was hoping for? It would take a little while, but hopefully set precedent, in effect telling judges they cannot meddle in foreign affairs.
Watch at 52.16 point where ACLU Muslim Lawyer Gets Pummeled.
Enjoy!
In a rare move, the whole 4th Cir shearing the case
https://www.c-span.org/video/?427706-1/fourth-circuit-hears-oral-argument-travel-ban&live
There would have been no such clause in the Fourteenth amendment if jurisdiction has no real meaning. Foreigners legal and illegal are still subject to the laws.
Nonetheless, it’s best to predict the norm. They will vote party line, so they will go against Trump. They are political appointments, and this is a high profile democrat case.
“The supposed evidence that Trump “discriminates” is based on campaign rhetoric.”
If the court buys that, then they are saying that all politicians speak the truth and all of their campaign promises are fulfilled.
This will open up a lot more lawsuits for all politicians based on their promises- “if you like your doctor/plan, you can keep them”, “save $2500 a year”, ...
“The elephant in the room is Islam itself. No one can say it, but those without blinders know Islam intrinsically has an issue with terrorism and if fundamentally at odds with American values.”
Exactly. Anyone just has to read the Koran, or parts of it, to see the terrorists are doing exactly as they are instructed. The ones who are not following their bible are the ones that are not committing terrorist acts - /yet.
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