Police can request ID,run background check on car passengers,Utah Supreme Court says

Now what? It doesn’t change my life one iota. Buckle up and you’ll be just fine.

81 posted on 05/12/2017 11:18:42 AM PDT by JonPreston

How about a comment on the fact instead of the source?

82 posted on 05/12/2017 11:31:37 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)

You'd like a comment on fact? Sure, glad to help.

Please show us where AZ - HB 2305 has been enacted into law.

Thanks.

83 posted on 05/12/2017 12:38:28 PM PDT by JonPreston

84 posted on 05/12/2017 12:41:56 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)

So has AZ - HB 2305 been enacted into law or not?

85 posted on 05/12/2017 1:05:01 PM PDT by JonPreston

Did someone say it was?

86 posted on 05/12/2017 4:12:29 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)

Why? You don’t want people with expired licenses and/or no insurance or registration off the road?
If you don’t, you’re dangerous and should be off the road.

So, pulling out of the driveway the day after the driver's license or registration expires:
ME: Oh my God! I've forgotten how to drive!
*CRASH*
ME, sobbing: I can't drive anymore… my license and/or registration expired!

[/sarcasm]

87 posted on 05/12/2017 5:24:08 PM PDT by Edward.Fish

Did someone say it was?

So is there a point your trying to make? The article that began this thread describes the outcome of a court decision that revolves around car passengers who voluntarily gave police officers their ID. As I said in my first comment, officers can ask for ID but passengers aren't required to carry it. So that's it. Nothing to panic about.

88 posted on 05/12/2017 5:40:44 PM PDT by JonPreston

To: onedoug; jiggyboy

So you think driving without being licensed would be okay?

It actually IS ok -- if you're talking about operating a motor vehicle.
You see driving int the vernacular is quite different than driving in legalese:

Q: What is DRIVER?
Law Dictionary: What is DRIVER? definition of DRIVER (Black's Law Dictionary)
One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other vehicle, with horses, mules, or other animals, or a bicycle, tricycle, or motor car, though not a street railroad car. See Davis v. Petrinovich, 112 Ala. 654, 21 South. 344, 36 L. R. A.615; Gen. St. Conn. 1902,

Are you employed in conducting a motor vehicle? No?
Then, legally speaking, you don't need a driver's license.

It gets even more interesting when you look at U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 2, §31 - Definitions:

(6)Motor vehicle.—
The term “motor vehicle” means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo.

jiggyboy is absolutely correct when he says In the olden days, nobody needed the State's permission to ride a horse or be a passenger in a covered wagon. As is always the case, time has passed and the State has eliminated that freedom., though only half-correct: it's still legal to do so, it's just that the law is being fraudulently misrepresented to the people.

89 posted on 05/12/2017 5:43:15 PM PDT by Edward.Fish

They just wouldn’t find anything, and would embarrass you and detain you for an hour or so.

Maybe not just that. (Link)

90 posted on 05/12/2017 5:47:32 PM PDT by Edward.Fish

To: Bryanw92; Truth29

>> The decision reads like it is a voluntary request for passenger ID. You can speculate on what happens next if the passenger says No.
>
> In the American Police State, a lot of things are voluntary—as long as the citizen doesn’t say “no”.

Much like the IRS and income-tax, no?

91 posted on 05/12/2017 5:49:25 PM PDT by Edward.Fish

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