Posted on 05/06/2017 5:46:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
9 out of 10 Americans would die? Hmm...
Able Archer WAS that name of a US training exercise that had been ramped-up to make it more realistic. We’d also done psyops to antagonize the Russians for a year or more in advance and they didn’t know what we were doing so they increased their military readiness level. That was in the Cold War era, now a similar situation would be extremely unlikely as things presently stand.
What about it? They only managed one successful launch to orbit, and it looks like it never sent any data back.
Also, this guy thinks there’s five times as many nuclear weapons as every other estimate that’s out there? Where is he getting __that__ from? Regardless, their most powerful nuclear weapon tested thusfar was only 20-30kT. Now, if we just ignore them, they’ll eventually be up to hundreds, if not thousands, and they won’t just be a couple dozen kilotons. And once they’ve got ICBMs down, they’ll move straight on to MIRVing them.
I remember those days. Was in school then. The anti-nuke message was loud and clear on campus.
I remember when The Day After came out in '83. Biggest anti-war (anti-Reagan) movie after Wargames. Very few of my friends understood what was happening in the movie. I remember counselors were available if anyone needed to talk about the movie. The original snowflakes I guess.
Wargames was still a good movie though once you filter out the message.
I always find it interesting how Hollywiered always seems to produce anti-conservative movies/shows when Rs are in office and pro-lib movies when Ds are in office.../sarc
Designated Survivor, which started off decent, has now just spun off into dimocrat talking points.
(”what about it” was in reference to their satellite launch)
Also, right now, their warheads mounted to Nodongs aren’t really the concern. They take hours to launch - hours sitting out in the open, vulnerable. Then they have to get through up to three layers of BMD - Aegis, THAAD and Patriot. Combined with their low missile reliability.. I doubt they’d actually get anything through.
Infiltrated nuclear weapons are more of a concern. But their sub fleet is antiquated, and anything in port would be hit in the first wave. Their MiGs will all be quickly downed as well, they pose no threat to modern air defense systems - and certainly not to the F-22s that will be sweeping their airspace. Probably their biggest shot is ground infiltration - such as any undiscovered tunnels (I don’t know how thoroughly modern tunnel detection techniques have been applied to the whole border). They could already have a nuclear mine placed - though as these tunnels were dug by hand, (and probably no undiscovered tunnels newly dug, because modern seismometers would see the digging too easily), they’re not likely to be very long, so it would be under DMZ defenses, not under, say, Seoul. Also, underground and ground-level nuclear blasts aren’t nearly as destructive to cities as airburst bombs; they spend most of their energy digging a crater.
If the US and ROK invaded across the DMZ, they could cut the DPRK off from their tunnels and keep even their longest artillery. But the dove that will soon be running the ROK probably won’t allow that - he probably won’t even allow the US to launch attacks from the ROK, out of some naive hope that by doing so, the DPRK won’t retaliate against them.
True, but I doubt a NK ballistic missile sub would get past Hawaii. It would have a tail, and if they commenced hovering as if to launch they would be toast.
“Also, right now, their warheads mounted to Nodongs aren’t really the concern. They take hours to launch - hours sitting out in the open, vulnerable. Then they have to get through up to three layers of BMD - Aegis, THAAD and Patriot. Combined with their low missile reliability.. I doubt they’d actually get anything through.”
The USAF didn’t kill one SCUD on the launch pad during Desert Storm — and that was in flat, desert terrain. The Nodongs will be tucked into tight valleys and caves. Yes, they have to be fueled after erecting for launch, but you’d have to be looking straight down on a lot of terrain to have any chance of getting a strike in prior to launch.
Haven’t seen that one. It’s a hoot! Coffee meet keyboard.
Bammy’ NSA and FEMA quietly constructed Fermi Grid protected radio stations that would be used to control society if and when an EMP attack against the USA occurred. I know, I toured one...
They are prepared for our destruction, thank heavens Donald Trump won, at least we have a fighting chance...
“The USAF didn’t kill one SCUD on the launch pad during Desert Storm”
You mean, with the monitoring capabilities we had __over 2 1/2 decades ago__?
For the record, here’s what a cell phone looked like during Desert Storm:
This was a top-of-the-line home PC during Desert Storm:
http://bensolisjr.typepad.com/.a/6a00e553da249f88340105361eb2ea970b-800wi
Believe it or not, we’re better at finding things than we were during in Desert Storm.
North Korea has a nuclear reactor that is said to be idle for lack of fuel. However, there are said to be as many as 8,000 spent fuel rods on site that are still cooking off. It’s virtually inconceivable to bomb this site as it would create a Chernobyl (unmitigated) with South Korea (possibly China) downwind.
If you were Kim where would you store your warheads and valuable components of your nuclear weapons program? => The one place that will never be bombed.
Unless the NORKs know how to neutralize the US SLBM forces, they have to know that an attack of that magnitude on the US is also an “exponential threat” to their entire nation, which will cease to exist. Unfortunately, South Korea will be collateral damage in such a scenario.
The reason this has the whiff of a Lyndon LaRouche conspiracy is that this is a private organizations that first wants you to donate money while fraudulently masquerading as some sort of public task force, even though its own documentation demonstrates that it is nothing of the sort.
It is a serious subject, but this Dr. Pry has no published credentials indicating expertise in the area, expertise that is maintained in a few places in the U.S. Government, e.g. Defense Threat Reduction Agency, AFRL, NRL, Sandia National Lab, Lawrence Livermore Lab and Los Alamos National Lab. As near as I can tell, he is associated with none of these organizations.
Dr. Pry served on the staffs of the Congressional Commission on the Strategic Posture of the United States (2008-2009); the Commission on the New Strategic Posture of the United States (2006-2008); and the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack (2001-2008). Dr. Pry served as Professional Staff on the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) of the U.S. Congress, with portfolios in nuclear strategy, WMD, Russia, China, NATO, the Middle East, Intelligence, and Terrorism (1995-2001). Dr. Pry was an Intelligence Officer with the Central Intelligence Agency responsible for analyzing Soviet and Russian nuclear strategy, operational plans, military doctrine, threat perceptions, and developing U.S. paradigms for strategic warning (1985-1995). He also served as a Verification Analyst at the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency responsible for assessing Soviet compliance with strategic and military arms control treaties (1984-1985).
In other words, this guy is a professional staffer and policy analyst, not an experienced scientist or engineer with expertise related to nuclear weapons.
For instance while he claims he served on the Commission on the New Strategic Posture of the United States (2006-2008). But one can see from the commission report that Peter Pry served as one of a long list of "assistants to the commissioners."
EMP is an issue, a big issue. But first one doctrine would treat an EMP just as it would any other nuclear attack - IOWs sure, you can try that but then you become a sheet of green glass.
Second is that Pry is selling a book and a consultancy (this is the D.C. Swamp).
Manufactured crisis, played up on Kim’s demand for attention.
Astute of you to factor in the South Koreans into the debate. The problem of North Korea is not Americacentrtic. What do the SORKs want and how do they go about achieving that goal?
The point is that it was a daunting technical task then (Desert Storm when we had every F-15E in theater trolling for SCUDS) and it remains to be seen whether our OODA loop is faster than the NK ability to roll-out, erect, fuel & Fire. Perhaps a persitent aerial threat using Hellfire equipped drones? I don’t know. Maybe if the Norks group their Nodongs in a tight enough area and we have sufficient Intel to know where that is.
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