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To: nathanbedford
The fact remains that apart from a Gorsuch who by your logic should be credited to Mitch McConnell, Trump has no legislative achievement and one legislative fiasco. All the other matters, which are laudable, are done by executive action.

Since Obama governed thru EO, Trump was able to undo quickly many of the Obama's egregious actions. You are wrong about legislative actions. Unfortunately even FReepers are captives of the MSM narrative. Here is a list of resolutions and bills signed by Trump

The fact remains that Trump supported the Ryan care bill and he did so because the essence of Ryan care complied with the specifications Trump laid out on the campaign trail. If the bill was no good Trump should not have supported it. The bill by all accounts, including 83% of the population, was no damn good.

Baloney. Trump only mentioned a few of the most popular provisions of Obamacare would be included in the new plan, e.g., allowing "children" up to the age of 26 to be on the parents plan, guaranteeing people with preexisting conditions insurance, etc. The actual GOP plan was authored primarily by Dr. Tom Price who had proposed something similar while in Congress. It was one reason why Trump made him his HHS Secretary.

Most people never read the bill. I did. I take those polls with a grain of salt. In any event, there will be another bill offered. No doubt there will be plenty of critics who see the perfect as the enemy of the good. If the GOP wants to remain the party of governance, it must reach a consensus and then move on. Another defeat will ensure that Obamacare remains the law of the land. Then, the objective will be to amend it to make it work better, a victory for the Dems.

30 posted on 04/25/2017 9:14:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Thank you for posting a link containing the list of Trump's alleged legislative "achievements." My problem is that a cursory reading of the list tells me very little without reading each entry.

I do learn that Trump has achieved the re-naming of the outpatient clinic of the Veterans Administration in Pago Pago. Some achievement.

I also learned from the blurb without going deeper that Trump has achieved designating the new veterans center in Butler County Pennsylvania. An equally awesome achievements, or in Trump's words, a real "deal."

I learned that an exception for General Mattis to serve as Secretary of Defense was arranged, although I do not understand why that should be achievement of Donald Trump, I would put that more to the credit of the general himself and the respect to which he is held.

Are these the kinds of "deals" we signed on for? Is this the sort of artful deal we signed on for? Is this the kind of legislative record for which we who were skeptics in the primary season were bullied and censored on this forum? Is this the first hundred days of the man who plays 3-D chess and who is such a genius that his adversaries simply cannot fathom his strategies? Perhaps there is more within that these blurbs but I think it is incumbent on you to enumerate them rather than leaving it to the reader to do that job. Until we get some real meat, the observation stands that Trump has no significant legislative achievement and one fiasco.

You exempt Trump from all responsibility for the fiasco of Trump/Ryancare when the bill incorporates the very elements that made Obama care unworkable and uneconomic. You fail to mention that the bill breaks the essential promise made in the campaign, to lower premiums, deductibles and co-pays. You point out as though it were in exculpation that Trump appointed as HHS secretary, Dr. Price whose proposals were evidently known before his appointment and which paralleled the bill which proved such a fiasco. Are we supposed to presume that Trump was ignorant of those proposals? Are we not rather to believe that he was chosen because Trump approved of the elements which found their way into Ryancare? Are we supposed to take on faith that we will get proper regulations and a proper third bite at the apple which no credible observer considers likely in the real world of Washington DC? You ignore Trump's support of the bill and expect us to forget that fiasco as though it never happened because we might somehow get a better bill, but that Chimera is so unlikely that even the great salesman, Donald Trump, could not sell it . Either he is not such a great salesman or the legislation, as I said, was "no damn good."

Finally, you cite opposition to the bill as making the perfect the enemy of the good as though Trump/Ryancare were good! As I pointed out in a previous reply, that Bill would have chiseled in granite all the worse provisions of Obama care. Thank God there are some real conservatives in the House of Representatives with the moral courage to stand against this sellout. Their courage calls into question the conservative bona fides of those behind this treacherous "reform" attempted even without any pretense of the repeal that was so often and so earnestly promised to us.

As I asked above, is this bill the reason we put this man of ballyhooed superhuman talents in the White House?


37 posted on 04/26/2017 4:00:58 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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