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To: kabar
Thank you for posting a link containing the list of Trump's alleged legislative "achievements." My problem is that a cursory reading of the list tells me very little without reading each entry.

I do learn that Trump has achieved the re-naming of the outpatient clinic of the Veterans Administration in Pago Pago. Some achievement.

I also learned from the blurb without going deeper that Trump has achieved designating the new veterans center in Butler County Pennsylvania. An equally awesome achievements, or in Trump's words, a real "deal."

I learned that an exception for General Mattis to serve as Secretary of Defense was arranged, although I do not understand why that should be achievement of Donald Trump, I would put that more to the credit of the general himself and the respect to which he is held.

Are these the kinds of "deals" we signed on for? Is this the sort of artful deal we signed on for? Is this the kind of legislative record for which we who were skeptics in the primary season were bullied and censored on this forum? Is this the first hundred days of the man who plays 3-D chess and who is such a genius that his adversaries simply cannot fathom his strategies? Perhaps there is more within that these blurbs but I think it is incumbent on you to enumerate them rather than leaving it to the reader to do that job. Until we get some real meat, the observation stands that Trump has no significant legislative achievement and one fiasco.

You exempt Trump from all responsibility for the fiasco of Trump/Ryancare when the bill incorporates the very elements that made Obama care unworkable and uneconomic. You fail to mention that the bill breaks the essential promise made in the campaign, to lower premiums, deductibles and co-pays. You point out as though it were in exculpation that Trump appointed as HHS secretary, Dr. Price whose proposals were evidently known before his appointment and which paralleled the bill which proved such a fiasco. Are we supposed to presume that Trump was ignorant of those proposals? Are we not rather to believe that he was chosen because Trump approved of the elements which found their way into Ryancare? Are we supposed to take on faith that we will get proper regulations and a proper third bite at the apple which no credible observer considers likely in the real world of Washington DC? You ignore Trump's support of the bill and expect us to forget that fiasco as though it never happened because we might somehow get a better bill, but that Chimera is so unlikely that even the great salesman, Donald Trump, could not sell it . Either he is not such a great salesman or the legislation, as I said, was "no damn good."

Finally, you cite opposition to the bill as making the perfect the enemy of the good as though Trump/Ryancare were good! As I pointed out in a previous reply, that Bill would have chiseled in granite all the worse provisions of Obama care. Thank God there are some real conservatives in the House of Representatives with the moral courage to stand against this sellout. Their courage calls into question the conservative bona fides of those behind this treacherous "reform" attempted even without any pretense of the repeal that was so often and so earnestly promised to us.

As I asked above, is this bill the reason we put this man of ballyhooed superhuman talents in the White House?


37 posted on 04/26/2017 4:00:58 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Thank you for posting a link containing the list of Trump's alleged legislative "achievements." My problem is that a cursory reading of the list tells me very little without reading each entry.

You are quite welcome. I was responding to your categorical statement, "Trump has no legislative achievement and one legislative fiasco." You can click on each resolution/bill to get more information from this WH site. There are a few nuggets there re regulations, NASA, and Veterans benefits.

I learned that an exception for General Mattis to serve as Secretary of Defense was arranged, although I do not understand why that should be achievement of Donald Trump, I would put that more to the credit of the general himself and the respect to which he is held.

He was selected and appointed by Trump, which provided the impetus to get the wavier. Trump was willing to make the extra effort to get the person he wanted and it faced some opposition from the Dems. You have a hard time giving Trump credit for anything whether it is SCOTUS or Mattis. I might add that the best and most important appointment he has made was Jeff Sessions as AG. It resulted in a contentious fight, but Trump persevered.

Are these the kinds of "deals" we signed on for? Is this the sort of artful deal we signed on for? Is this the kind of legislative record for which we who were skeptics in the primary season were bullied and censored on this forum? Is this the first hundred days of the man who plays 3-D chess and who is such a genius that his adversaries simply cannot fathom his strategies?

Chill out, man. Nobody said draining the swamp was going to be easy or that the Uniparty would not fight back. Trump has seen his appointments slow-walked during the confirmation process thus hampering getting his people in place to further his agenda; the politicized courts are blocking some of his initiatives, which are constitutional and will be upheld by SCOTUS; the MSM has produced an unprecedented hate campaign against Trump with 90% of their stories being unfavorable towards him; Obama and his minions in the "Deep State" bureaucracy are actively involved in the "Resistance;" the Dems in Congress oppose everything Trump proposes; and he has RINOs and FReepers like you attacking him. Despite all this, Trump moves on, indefatigable and resolute, to fulfill his campaign promises. My money is on him to succeed.

Perhaps there is more within that these blurbs but I think it is incumbent on you to enumerate them rather than leaving it to the reader to do that job. Until we get some real meat, the observation stands that Trump has no significant legislative achievement and one fiasco.

Trump cannot control the legislative process in Congress or force the GOP to start acting like the governing party and reach a consensus on policy. He has taken action on those things he can control thru the EO process and his cabinet appointments.

You exempt Trump from all responsibility for the fiasco of Trump/Ryancare when the bill incorporates the very elements that made Obama care unworkable and uneconomic. You fail to mention that the bill breaks the essential promise made in the campaign, to lower premiums, deductibles and co-pays. You point out as though it were in exculpation that Trump appointed as HHS secretary, Dr. Price whose proposals were evidently known before his appointment and which paralleled the bill which proved such a fiasco. Are we supposed to presume that Trump was ignorant of those proposals?

First, there are limits to what can be done thru budget reconciliation. The Reps do not have 60 voters to invoke cloture in the Senate. The GOP had to develop a three phase plan to repeal and replace Obamacare. Sorry to introduce reality into your fantasy land.

Second, have you read, H.R.1628 - American Health Care Act of 2017? Here are some of things contained in the bill that I would assume you don't object to:

Sec. 111. Repeal of Medicaid provisions.

Sec. 112. Repeal of Medicaid expansion.

Sec. 113. Elimination of DSH cuts.

Sec. 114. Reducing State Medicaid costs.

Sec. 115. Safety net funding for non-expansion States.

Sec. 116. Providing incentives for increased frequency of eligibility redeterminations.

Sec. 201. Recapture excess advance payments of premium tax credits.

Sec. 202. Additional modifications to premium tax credit.

Sec. 203. Premium tax credit.

Sec. 204. Small business tax credit.

Sec. 205. Individual mandate.

Sec. 206. Employer mandate.

Sec. 207. Repeal of the tax on employee health insurance premiums and health plan benefits.

Sec. 208. Repeal of tax on over-the-counter medications.

Sec. 209. Repeal of increase of tax on health savings accounts.

Sec. 210. Repeal of limitations on contributions to flexible spending accounts.

Sec. 211. Repeal of medical device excise tax.

Sec. 212. Repeal of elimination of deduction for expenses allocable to medicare part D subsidy.

Sec. 213. Repeal of increase in income threshold for determining medical care deduction.

Sec. 214. Repeal of Medicare tax increase.

Sec. 215. Refundable tax credit for health insurance coverage.

Sec. 216. Maximum contribution limit to health savings account increased to amount of deductible and out-of-pocket limitation.

Sec. 217. Allow both spouses to make catch-up contributions to the same health savings account.

Sec. 218. Special rule for certain medical expenses incurred before establishment of health savings account.

Sec. 221. Repeal of tax on prescription medications.

Sec. 222. Repeal of health insurance tax.

Sec. 231. Repeal of tanning tax.

The Freedom Caucus and the Tuesday Group are coming very close to a consensus bill that will pass the House. The vast majority of H.R. 1628 will be in the revised bill. This could happen as early as next week. Trump is not to blame for the healthcare bill "fiasco." The House GOP is responsible. Trump will sign whatever comes out of the GOP controlled Congress.

Finally, you cite opposition to the bill as making the perfect the enemy of the good as though Trump/Ryancare were good! As I pointed out in a previous reply, that Bill would have chiseled in granite all the worse provisions of Obama care. Thank God there are some real conservatives in the House of Representatives with the moral courage to stand against this sellout. Their courage calls into question the conservative bona fides of those behind this treacherous "reform" attempted even without any pretense of the repeal that was so often and so earnestly promised to us.

As I indicated, read the bill and understand the legislative process and what can be achieved thru budget reconciliation. And if a consensus is reached for the second bite of the apple, the vast majority of the bill will be what was already proposed in H.R. 1628.

As I asked above, is this bill the reason we put this man of ballyhooed superhuman talents in the White House?

You certainly were no big supporter of Trump and given the tenor of your reply, are still not a supporter. Trump was the only GOP candidate who could have beaten Hillary. And that was the alternative. Can you imagine what the first 100 days would have looked like under Hillary? I am very happy with Trump's performance and look at each day for the next four years as a reprieve from the Obama years. We have one of the best national security teams I have seen in a long time. America is back as the leader of the Free World. Consumer confidence is higher than in a very long time. A good tax reform policy coupled with Trump's economic nationalism will lift this economy and put American workers first.

38 posted on 04/26/2017 7:02:14 AM PDT by kabar
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