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Green Jungle, Black Rifle; The M16 in Vietnam
advanceandreview.wordpress.com ^ | 4/20/2017 | Millet

Posted on 04/22/2017 7:47:35 AM PDT by rktman

It is public knowledge that the tropical jungles of Vietnam turned the M16 from space-age assault rifle to unreliable junk which got good men killed. The specter of dead servicemen clutching jammed rifles looms large in the cultural consciousness. It is certainly true that the rifle’s issues in Vietnam are taken to hyperbole, even to the extent that they are thought to affect the M16/M4 family almost 50 years later. Seeking to address these deficits, it is beneficial for us to address each issue which plagued the rifle in turn, and its corresponding solution. In so doing, we shall both see that each issue has been resolved in turn, and understand the underlying factors of procurement irrespective of the AR-15 itself which led to its failures.

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TOPICS: Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ars; banglist; m16; vietnam
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I know, another re-hash of the history of the AR. Pretty decent article though for those that would like a refresher. Now the supposedly most popular "modern sporting rifle" out there. Have at it.
1 posted on 04/22/2017 7:47:35 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

I meant the civilian version AR-15 is the MSR. DOH!


2 posted on 04/22/2017 7:48:21 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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It’s early! More coffee.

Going to be a nice day in the hood. Just got back from a nice breakfast at the Hometown. Loading up the dog and the lovely Mrs. and headed out to do some prospecting.

Oh and no 22 at Wallyworld.


3 posted on 04/22/2017 7:52:44 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Where there is smoke, there is Susan Rice." Lee Carter, FBN, 4/6/2017)
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To: rktman

Summary: the rifle was fine, it was army procurement changing the ammo that caused jamming issues.


4 posted on 04/22/2017 7:57:13 AM PDT by Bogey78O (So far so good.)
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War is terrible. Every war had something stupid that got men killed. WWI had bolt action rifles and the stupid idea of trench warfare and charging machine guns and sitting while being barraged by artillery.


5 posted on 04/22/2017 8:01:31 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I saw an ad for Cabelas here in Reno selling it for $0.055 each. I figured stock was up as price going down. I still have a few thousand on hand.


6 posted on 04/22/2017 8:05:18 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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All that I know is that when I went ‘in-Country’ in March of ‘68 the M16 I was issued had been around awhile. It would fire 3 rounds and fail to extract. It wasn’t until the newer rifles were issued that the reliability issues were fixed for me.


7 posted on 04/22/2017 8:06:49 AM PDT by Parmy
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They had to be kept CLEAN, an almost impossibility in the swamps and jungles of SE Asia.


8 posted on 04/22/2017 8:11:05 AM PDT by Don Corleone (.leave the gun, take the canolis, take it to the mattress.)
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To: Reno89519

Yeah, I need to get out and expend a few rds. Nickel per isn’t too bad these days.


9 posted on 04/22/2017 8:14:05 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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Cleared up a few misconceptions that I had concerning the AR-15/M-16. Putting the events on a timeline helped separate the real flaws from the imagined one’s.


10 posted on 04/22/2017 8:16:09 AM PDT by Tallguy
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A feminized weapon begats a feminized military.

A much better weapon if you weigh more than 105 pounds.


11 posted on 04/22/2017 8:19:02 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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***Now the supposedly most popular “modern sporting rifle” out there.***

Not BEFORE late 1976. Back in 1966 I got to shoot my first one and fell in love with it. Yet no one had one in stock. I bought my first in 1970. People asked..”What good is it? A mouse gun! Will it knock down a deer?”
The idea of recreational shooting was still limited to the .22 rimfire as no one had money to buy expensive cartridges to waste on paper targets.
You could not even give one away! The gun magazines in the 1970s panned the rifle as...”inaccurate. No knock down power. Illegal in most states for deer. Looks like a Mattel toy. Costs too much for what it delivers.” When one was found it stayed on the gun store shelves for months or years.

Then Mel Tappan wrote his book on SURVIVAL GUNS and interest began.
When GUNS AND AMMO magazine began a series on survival written by Tappan the desire took off! The Mini-14 was born! Then the AR-180 became popular! AR-15s began to fly off the shelves! Junked military rifles were reassembled with old parts and new frames.
The AK-47/s was released in .223.
The Mini-14 was released in 1975 and was a hit! Bought my first then. It then disappeared from the stores and were not to be found as Ruger was filling contracts for French Police.

The rest is history. Now the AR-15 is the most popular rifle in the USA.


12 posted on 04/22/2017 8:19:21 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ("You know Caligula?" --- "Worse! Caligula knows me!")
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Sigh. I’ve still got Remington 525 round bulk packs with $9.95 price tags on them.


13 posted on 04/22/2017 8:21:21 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Only the dead have seen an end to war.")
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To: central_va

LOL! Yup. One of my faves.


14 posted on 04/22/2017 8:22:38 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Noumenon

LOL! Yeah, good luck on EVER seeing that again.


15 posted on 04/22/2017 8:24:33 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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I never had any trouble with mine in 1968. I was in a dirty dozer in the jungle and it would be covered with dust, dirt and leaves but never failed. I think lots of people make stuff up.
16 posted on 04/22/2017 8:25:47 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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I’ve got half a dozen of the Winchester 500 round in those little wood boxes marked at $11.95.

Those were the days, my friend.

L


17 posted on 04/22/2017 8:26:55 AM PDT by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: Bogey78O

I thought the problems were due to the manufacturing of the chanber with inferior steel that was the problem. If I remember correctly the original maker was tied to the Kennedy’s.


18 posted on 04/22/2017 8:27:32 AM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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My dad bought a Colt AR back in the early 70s. I couldn’t believe what a fantastic thing it was. How fast it was! It was unbelievably easy for me to shoot with such accuracy. The bullets hit the target what seemed to be the instant they were fired. I had never seen a rifle like it. Less recoil than a BB gun.

What is referred to as lock time for me can be added to the time the bullet is in flight. So when you “call your shots” I had previously been disappointed with the result. With that rifle the shot you called was where the bullet went. I was only 19 or so but it was like getting a gift from the shooting gods.


19 posted on 04/22/2017 8:31:58 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Lurker

Let’s all hope for a return to those days.


20 posted on 04/22/2017 8:35:11 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Only the dead have seen an end to war.")
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