Given the following:
Tax payers are the losers.
College Admin are the winners.
Teacher unions are winners.
Students won’t learn any marketable skills.
Student lose via fraud.
That’s a lot of multi-variable math!
One cost of “free” school is that a bunch of kids who have no idea what they want to do with their lives, or who don’t want to get jobs when they graduate from high school, will automatically go to college to party and ultimately flunk out. There is zero risk to them in looking at college as a 4 year vacation. At least when parents pay, they put pressure on the kids to figure out a major and stay in line.
JOB RESUME
Joe Shmow
EDUCATION
Free education from big New York liberals.
Did not work much cuz the educashun was free.
EXPERIENCE
None cuz nobody will hire me.
Gee, I wonder what will happen to tuition rates and faculty salaries with the taxpayer on the hook. /s
Stupid New Yorkers. They should be required to live in that state until they die. They should live under the horrible policies they vote for and the tax bill. Instead, they usually flee to other, lower tax states and ruin those.
Ya think?
So instead of paying for their own tuition for 4 years (or loans for 10) they will pay for others’ tuition for the rest of their lives as NY residents. Perfect!
When I went to college in the 80’s, it was to earn a degree to get a better paying job in a specific field.
It wasn’t about the “experience”.
Send them backpacking in the Middle East if they want an experience.
There will be a 4 Year “stay in NY after graduation” requirement as well. Next step will be a wall to keep people IN.
Also, like everything in America now, “free” tuition will be means-tested. It will NOT be free if you make above $125K per year.
As mentioned, it will kill private colleges in NY.
Finally, with increased state control and funding, progressives will have just another strong lever of political control, censure and social-engineering. The leftist swamp of academia will become that much more concentrated.
Young men and women now stay on their parents insurance until age 26. Young people don’t have to work anymore. They’re paid to stay in college. They’re 27-28 and don’t have any work experience. No people in world history has produced such a useless generation.
Most aren’t shouldn’t be wasting 4 years in college. They didn’t achieve enough success in high school. In fact, no more than 20-25% should be supported by taxpayer funds — grants, loans, etc. I have no problems supporting those that want to go to trade schools that can provide people with real opportunities.
Few seem to understand the concept of economic “friction”: _something_ has to limit demand to match supply, as a natural objective fact of economics. Either inventory simply runs out, square footage available reduces to unusable, whatever ... no supply is infinite. There is only so many seats available in so many classrooms, and so many competent professors available to teach there; that leads to consequences where the “free money” will result in a combination of unintended consequences.
Looks like Commie Cuomo and our Jerry The Fairy Brown are trying to see which one of them are able to bankrupt their respective states first. Personally, I hope it’s a tie, with both CA and NY going under at the same time.
No such thing as free education. But if they are going to go down the path, I am of the opinion that the state could offer an Associates of General Studies that would be based on 20 tests.
The state department of education could offer free videos of state employees recording their lessons. Individuals would then register for the first test for free. Upon passing all 20 tests, the student would be accredited with an AS is GS.
I am of the opinion that the 20 tests / 60 credits should break down to 3 credits each for:
Business Math
Algebra I
Applied algebra
English composition
American Literature
Classical Literature
US Government
American History - The Revolution to WW1
American History - WW1 to present
World History
Chemistry
Physics
Anatomy
First Aid (EMT 1)
Personal Finance
Personal Fitness
Introduction to Computers
Business Applications (Word processor, spreadsheet, email)
Library science and research
Speed Reading or Typing
If the student fails to pass the test the first time, the second attempt would be for a cost. Credits and degree would be transferable with the state college system.
Individuals who fail their first attempt at the test could take again but would need to take a re-test fee. I believe that the fee would be on par with tuition. These fees would go back into the system to fund the video recording of the professors.
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Note, the intent is only to test / prep a student for later college work if they wish to pursue a higher degree.
“Creating a state grant for higher education, coupled with federal grants, will likely lead to further increases in the cost of higher education. The program is slated to be phased in over three years and is expected to cost taxpayers $163 million in the first year.”
Trump should move to cut off federal grants. All this grant money does is give the institutions the ability to raise tuition and professors salarles at the same time. Grants are the principal way colleges and universities are able to raise their tuition.
I have always said the worse thing that we did to our country was to end the draft. When our young men were drafted it gave them an education on the reality of life. And for many it also gave them marketable skills.
Bring back the draft, which needs to include our young women. It would be an eye opening experience that would be life changing for most if not all.
wait until the state decides what you’re allowed to major in. don’t think for a second that being utterly unable to support yourself with a women’s studies degree will prevent the state from coercing people from “earning” that worthless degree.
The first lesson I taught my economics students was always..”There is no free lunch”. Giving “free” tuition also raises the old tragedy of the commons situation.... free resources will always be over exploited as there are no economic consequences. Think of all the little snowflakes who will not bother to show up for class, spend their time in safe spaces with coloring books, take classes in underwater basket weaving and having nothing to show for their free college.
Speaking as a New Yorker, a taxpayer in New York, and a recent student of the NY state university system (as CUNY, changing careers in my 30s), I don’t see this as a terrible idea.
(1) CUNY, at least, is pretty career focused. Most of the people I’ve taken classes with, both grads and undergrads, are focused, hard-working, and intelligent. A lot of older/immigrant students as well. It doesn’t meet the stereotype of a party school nor of being very PC. Just ordinary New Yorkers trying to get a leg up.
(2) CUNY actually used to be tuition-free (provided that you got good grades) until the mid 70s. There’s historical precedent here, and the past experiments hardly ruined the system. They had to start chargine tuition during the economic issues of the 1970s, but it’s no longer 1977.
(3) City/state universities in NY are 80% funded through non-tuition sources anyway. This will increase costs less than one thinks.
Higher than high.
The only number I saw in the excerpt was an estimate of $163 Million for the first year of a three year phase in. The actual annual cost five years down the road will be at least ten times that.
Its a back door open to education free for immigrants