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RIP Turkey, 1921 – 2017
Foreign Policy ^ | 16 April 2017 | STEVEN A. COOK

Posted on 04/16/2017 2:46:23 PM PDT by BeauBo

Recep Tayyip Erdogan didn’t just win his constitutional referendum — he permanently closed a chapter of his country’s modern history... Whether they understood it or not, when Turks voted “Yes”, they were registering their opposition to the Teşkilât-ı Esasîye Kanunu and the version of modernity that Ataturk imagined and represented. Though the opposition is still disputing the final vote tallies, the Turkish public seems to have given Erdogan and the AKP license to reorganize the Turkish state and in the process raze the values on which it was built.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; caliphate; dictator; erdogan; muslimworld; nato; turkey; turkeyelection
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To: BeauBo
.......”This likely marks the end of the Turkish Republic, and the birth of an islamist despotis regime.”......

Without question....Erdogan’s dream and aspirations have been to bring in the Caliphate with himself as the New Sultan.....this is a huge win for him to see this realized....at the very least he will certainly be emboldened to bring it about.

It is also why he erected this gigantic palace monstrocity for himself....


41 posted on 04/16/2017 5:15:46 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator

I don’t think many, if any, of the Muslims in Europe were ever loyal to their host countries.


42 posted on 04/16/2017 5:25:10 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives.have diseased minds.)
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To: Boomer

The Turks never have forgotten the Battle of Vienna.


43 posted on 04/16/2017 5:27:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: VanDeKoik

Erdogan has already threatened more than once to unleash the refugees to Europe that are in his camps......These Islamic Leaders, as Erdogan, only use their people as battering rams and bargaining chips.....and the people of course willingly obey all in the name of Islamic Jihad to conquer the nations via migration and immigration...a key tenant in their belief system.

In Islam a Muslim that immigrates is performing Jihad equal to that of one fighting in the battlefield. Which is why it was so easy for all those young men to go in as refugees....leave their wives and children home....and as the cowards they are able to say they were still performing Jihad.


44 posted on 04/16/2017 5:31:32 PM PDT by caww
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Erdogan: “Islam is the goal. Democracy is like a train. You get off once you reach the destination.” (more or less)

According to King Abdullah, back in 2013 in an interview about the Muslim Brotherhood, “Erdogan once said that democracy for him is a bus ride. Once I get to my stop, I’m getting off.”

45 posted on 04/16/2017 5:35:10 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: caww

Erdogan will think of all Muslims throughout Europe, as Hitler thought about the Volksdeutsche in the Sudetenland.


46 posted on 04/16/2017 5:36:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Helicondelta

Seriously? A country where opposition parties are banned or harassed, where Erdogam controls the media, and you think he’s beyond rigging the result? There are very few countries in the world where there election results are not subject to fraud, including the US. Turkey has been a one party state for some time now.


47 posted on 04/16/2017 5:37:08 PM PDT by littleharbour
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To: littleharbour

Iran considered themselves the main country for Islam. They have just been superseded by Turkey.

Turkey is a thousand times more dangerous than Iran, because they will have a huge number of loyalists scattered across the globe.


48 posted on 04/16/2017 5:39:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BeauBo

Bad enough the ROPers are so violent, but they’re retrograde. Think of the efforts over the centuries to eliminate religious governments and dictators and now these numbskulls freely vote for both.


49 posted on 04/16/2017 5:40:25 PM PDT by major-pelham
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To: BeauBo

“Turkey turns from the West”

Rubbish.

Turkey has never been part of the West.


50 posted on 04/16/2017 5:41:07 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: Jim Noble

“Democratic” Turkey has been the biggest case of Taqqiya ever foisted on mankind.


51 posted on 04/16/2017 5:42:22 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Agreed. Much as I admire Ataturk, he was only able to put a veneer of civilization over a foundation of Islamic barbarism.

I would tell Putin: “Vlady, baby, I know how much you Russkies want to bring Constatinople back to Christendom. We’ll, here’s your chance. Just be happy with your new prize and stay the heck out of Eastern Europe.”


52 posted on 04/16/2017 5:47:22 PM PDT by Nothingburger
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To: dfwgator
Oh yes indeed...Erdogans lust for M.E. Power and His Rule cannot be abated. I've been watching this yo-yo for a long time now playing all sides of the fences....it's truly all about him in his head.

What's stunning is that Merkel and the European nations are so highly gullible....and to think Obama was taking this nation to that very place as well! Hillary surely would have followed suite. So very grateful Trump is our President! We came so very close to loosing it all had he not stepped up!

53 posted on 04/16/2017 5:50:07 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

He wants Europe, too. And he’s got all of Europe’s muslims in his hand. They will be loyal to him. Muslims have just been waiting for the right strongman. Iran tried, but they failed. Erdogan will succeed where they failed.


54 posted on 04/16/2017 5:51:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BeauBo

It was bound to happen. Also bound to happen: international recognition of the Armenian genocide and Kurdistan independence.


55 posted on 04/16/2017 5:59:59 PM PDT by jz638
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To: Fitzy_888

“Translation: Kurds and literate Turks voted no.”

Minorities and the urban centers voted no.

Turks are ultra nationalists and generally care for their ethnics more than their religion. Kurds are also Sunni like Turks, but there is no bonding as both are nationalistic and militaristic ethnic groups.


56 posted on 04/16/2017 6:01:14 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Helicondelta

“another tinpot dictator like Russia”

So the people voted for it but he is somehow a dictator..

This article is pure globalist trash.

Seems to me that the people of Turkey won and the EU lost.


Well, the people, Muslims, essentially voted in a caliphate—they have given increased power to their leader who has said he wants to establish a government system much like Hitler’s—with a Presidential rule, it will be a caliphate,which by definition will necessitate that they are ruled by Sharia law and that pretty much amounts to a dictator...Sort of like Hitler— or Iran.

Here are some articles that may shed light on the subject:

http://therightscoop.com/amazing-erdogan-just-compared-his-coming-caliphate-rule-to-hitlers-nazi-germany/

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/07/21/turkey-and-erdogan-here-comes-real-caliphate.html

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/07/21/turkey-and-erdogan-here-comes-real-caliphate.html

Given this ruler’s Islamist ideas about taking over Europe through increased birth rate as noted below, I would say EU is the winner here—the people of Turkey lost their freedoms—through a very close and possibly questionable vote, but it will stand.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/03/17/europes-future-erdogan-tells-turks-europe-five-kids-not-three/

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Friday urged Turks resident in Europe to have five children, telling the millions strong diaspora community “you are Europe’s future.”

Turkey and Europe are locked in a bitter spat after Germany and the Netherlands blocked Turkish ministers from holding rallies to campaign for a ‘yes’ vote in next month’s referendum on expanding Erdogan’s powers.


I would disagree that the article is “globalist trash” —though you disagree with it, there may be quite a bit of truth to it I would argue that there is based on reading other stuff.). Seems like every other article here on FR is being labeled “Fake News,” if the person disagrees. OK to Disagree, but that does not make it globalist trash. etc. Again, do a search on Erdogan, Caliphate Dictator, Caliph and you will find many articles if you don’t like the ones I have posted.


57 posted on 04/16/2017 6:04:00 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out - D. Horowitz)
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To: Freedom56v2

Turkey will become a bigger threat to Europe, than Russia.


58 posted on 04/16/2017 6:08:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BeauBo

The worldwide leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood now lives in Turkey, invited by the Government.
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To the degree that’s correct, residency is irrelevant.

The MB has completely infiltrated the US Government, starting with the “intelligence” (dis)services, State, and the Executive. “Invited by the government” indeed.

Can people say decades of Huma Abedin unfettered top-level access? Hmmmm?

Those who swore to protect us, took an oath, and were paid well for same, sold us out. GDF traitors.

The senior MB ops I know in the US, when questioned about same, just laugh and say “It’s Allah’s will.”

We now to our regularly scheduled program, US overthrow followed by Jihadi installation in Syria, or first perhaps war with Russia, China, NK, or another WW3 variation.

Keep vigilant America. If You See Something, Say Something. Because USGOV isn’t sponsoring Muslim terrorism for Both Domestic and Foreign objectives (no, really!) and they really want to win the “war on ISIS” or is it ISIL or IS, or Daesh? Have they decided yet or should we give it another 8 years?


59 posted on 04/16/2017 6:12:31 PM PDT by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: dfwgator
Oh I don't think Erdogan is going to succeed in Europe....though it might appear so for a time...they'll push back soon enough....Merkel's already on bended knee with other nation leaders to help her find a solution for the crisis she's created in her country...and the German people aren't going to stand it much longer before they're back in the streets.

China, Russia and Iran leaders met this week without Erdogan....that makes a statement....for now.


60 posted on 04/16/2017 6:15:17 PM PDT by caww
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