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To: coloradan
I appreciate your effort at putting forth things that would honestly endeavor to get to the truth of the matter at hand. I'm not--as are self-evidently several here--eager to exact a price for anyone's expression of a divergent opinion. Such people apparently have little appreciation for the negativity they introduce, which would stifle needed, healthy debate that is interested in the merits of any argument. I would not try to make you regret anything you say.

Although it's true that the low quality of a craft's appearance does not necessarily prove it didn't exist or fly, one needs to ask oneself whether, given, for example, the Grissom, Chaffee and White Apollo 1 episode, that Americans would have been of a mindset to be so cavalier as to send up a craft that manifested those irregularities and true shortcomings. In those images are literally pieces of tape "holding down" significant coverings. Does that result comport with a thought of, "If I don't do this right, my astronaut-friends could die a horrible death as the craft endured the stresses of accelerations and decelerations?" I don't think so. What quality assurance engineer at Grumman would have allowed his signature beside the sign-offs? At most, a quality assurance engineer that would know there was no life-criticality to such a taped closure.

The silver-foil-like insulation not being used throughout the outer surface does prove that it was not being relied on for shielding through any Van Allen Belt (VAB). A later Challenger flight that got no closer than 350 miles to the VAB generated shared astronaut experiences of "shooting star-like visions," apparently of radiation whizzing through their improved (over Apollo) shielding, with those particles literally passing through their bodies and through their retinas. Apollo astroNOTS going through the VAN for any length of time at all would have necessarily been harrowing if not deadly, particularly given that there was no significant shielding on that Lunar Module pictured. Yet, none of the astroNOTs even mentioned anything about VAB traversal. It think that's the one main reason the Soviets--though they were well ahead of the Americans in almost every measure of space flight--dared to risk such a venture.

I'll grant that the nature of perspective (vis-a-vis shadows) is not obvious to many people and sometimes downright difficult always to discern. The wooded example you put forth suffers from a lack of orthogonality that could aid in discerning the true direction of the shadows on the left. It does properly show that the light source is behind the apparent photographer's head, hence the hot spot. The fish eye (beach) example is already dissimilar from the Hasselblad moon pix, thus of no real comparative use, IMHO. Please consider dealing with the faked moon rock issue.

Although there will be some variation in the size of objects in a hemispheric capture, those differences would have to be very near-distance captures to manifest what you're talking about. None of those NASA images were asserted to have been captured by low-flying jets or by craft in low earth orbit.

Consider the obvious fakery in which NASA was willing to engage in the following example. It's the same, apparently human-crafted prop moon "rock," labeled "C". Once the anomaly was caught and "repaired," the other time not:

As I say, I hope I haven't made you regret anything.

52 posted on 04/15/2017 8:05:31 AM PDT by rx (Truth Will Out!)
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To: rx

My concern is that if someone doesn’t understand that one can see more of the earth the farther away one is, that stars don’t show up in pictures that are correctly exposed for daylight levels, that perspective makes lines that are actually parallel (such as shadows cast by parallel sunlight) look like they converge (or, like they point in ‘different directions’) and that the objects in the shadow of one’s head are all “full” (in the sense of the full moon) and therefore brighter than other objects elsewhere in the photo which reveal partially shaded regions, and hence look darker, then the necessary physical insight about how physical reality actually behaves will be too lacking to have a useful and productive discussion about less obvious things.


76 posted on 04/15/2017 9:36:57 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: rx
Consider the obvious fakery in which NASA was willing to engage in the following example. It's the same, apparently human-crafted prop moon "rock," labeled "C". Once the anomaly was caught and "repaired," the other time not:

What makes you think the "C" is on the rock rather than the photo, on which it is so nicely centered horizontally?

82 posted on 04/15/2017 10:20:48 AM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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