I once heard someone argue - it wasn’t really a “Civil War.”
A Civil War is a struggle for control of the government of a country. The South had no interest in controlling the government of the USA. They simply wanted out.
As such, it was a suppression of an independence movement, or simply a war of conquest.
Yes. And to what end?
I dont know if there would have been reason to leave Italy in the early 1900s if there had been two countries.
And as far as I’m concerned, the southern states are by far the more patriotic and American (though out Italian enclave is very conservative up here).
But I see wasted lives. So many.
And the South, if not for lower numbers of men, and less industrial output, would have crushed the north.
Ah, you’re getting your revenge with Trump :) And making LIBERAL states want to secede.
And even if Trump only got 42 percent in NY, that’s a LOT of people that think like you guys do!!
And the way liberals fight, we could beat the other 58 percent in a war :)
The U.S. Army’s official name for it is the war of rebellion, which I think is most accurate. The US had an election for president per the constitution, with no accusations of fraud or other tampering. Southern states, starting with South Carolina, decided they didn’t like the outcome of the election and decided to take their toys and go home. Not only that, they sent representatives to other states that had not yet seceded to try and convince them to secede. If that ain’t treason I don’t know what is.
As far as whether secession was allowed under the constitution, I will take James Madison’s own words on that;
“I partake of the wonder that the men you name should view secession in the light mentioned. The essential difference between a free Government and Governments not free, is that the former is founded in compact, the parties to which are mutually and equally bound by it. Neither of them therefore can have a greater fight to break off from the bargain, than the other or others have to hold them to it. And certainly there is nothing in the Virginia resolutions of –98, adverse to this principle, which is that of common sense and common justice. The fallacy which draws a different conclusion from them lies in confounding a single party, with the parties to the Constitutional compact of the United States. The latter having made the compact may do what they will with it. The former as one only of the parties, owes fidelity to it, till released by consent, or absolved by an intolerable abuse of the power created. In the Virginia Resolutions and Report the plural number, States, is in every instance used where reference is made to the authority which presided over the Government. As I am now known to have drawn those documents, I may say as I do with a distinct recollection, that the distinction was intentional. It was in fact required by the course of reasoning employed on the occasion. The Kentucky resolutions being less guarded have been more easily perverted. The pretext for the liberty taken with those of Virginia is the word respective, prefixed to the “rights” &c to be secured within the States. Could the abuse of the expression have been foreseen or suspected, the form of it would doubtless have been varied. But what can be more consistent with common sense, than that all having the same rights &c, should unite in contending for the security of them to each.
It is remarkable how closely the nullifiers who make the name of Mr. Jefferson the pedestal for their colossal heresy, shut their eyes and lips, whenever his authority is ever so clearly and emphatically against them. You have noticed what he says in his letters to Monroe & Carrington Pages 43 & 203, vol. 2,1 with respect to the powers of the old Congress to coerce delinquent States, and his reasons for preferring for the purpose a naval to a military force; and moreover that it was not necessary to find a right to coerce in the Federal Articles, that being inherent in the nature of a compact. It is high time that the claim to secede at will should be put down by the public opinion; and I shall be glad to see the task commenced by one who understands the subject.”
Letter from James Madison to Mr. Trist
Dec 23, 1832 during the nullification crisis.