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To: Gaffer

What I am say is the prices aren’t what they were before and the only reason I see to keep them high is profit.


I am sure that you understand supply and demand. Profit is what every manufacturer aims for and desires. Profit is what drives capitalism. What keeps profit up is demand. Demand spiked way over supply with the Obama gun control push.

Demand became so high that it pushed prices to insane levels. Prices can only go up if there is demand that is willing to pay the price. When demand drops and or supply increases, the price will drop. We are starting to see that now. It will come.

But there is enormous, pent up demand that was unleased by the Obama push. There are probably 50 million .22 firearm owners in the United States, maybe 100 million. Tens of millions of them went from being satisfied with having a half full box of 50 .22 cartridges to wanting a thousand rounds “just in case”.

1000 rounds times 10 million is 10 billion rounds of ammunition. Total production for the United States before the bubble was about 4 billion a year. It has bumped up to about 5 billion a year. See the problem? Sure, we imported as much ammo as we could from other countries. It probably bumped up the total to 6 billion a year in the U.S.

It would take at least 5 years to meet the extra 10 billion in demand.

I think we are finally getting close to meeting that demand.

Prices are starting to fall.

I suspect you will have your 4-5 cents CCI CP 40 grain ammo within two years, barring further political shock waves.


44 posted on 04/04/2017 10:08:28 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

Do not condescend to tell me I don’t know about supply and demand - it is insulting, frankly.

The thing is that I have the luxury now to sit it out and wait until they realize they aren’t gonna get that high of price much longer and it makes no difference about that other extra 20% capacity. They’ve had near 8 years to deal with this and they have not.

It doesn’t matter to me but there isn’t anyone that can honestly tell me it was just pure demand that prompts their actions now at this time. They know their stuff is premium and they are more than willing to capitalize on that.

I don’t own stock in that company or apologize for them with market this and that BS. I just use it and shoot.

I really don’t think you and I have any more to expound on this. We just differ, that’s all. Thanks!


46 posted on 04/04/2017 10:20:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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