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To: nathanbedford; LS
Whether the polls are true or not, the published polls affect perceptions.

Everybody knows what polls are for: manipulating public opinion—not reporting it.

And what do you do in response?

You harp about how valid they might be, and then try to link that assertion to, for instance, Presidential tweets—whose intent and efficacy are apparently beyond your ken.

You opine that the polls aren't worthless, and that some people do believe them and are influenced by them.

One small problem: who cares? These polls are, unambiguously, a weapon of the Enemy. There's absolutely no purpose to arguing about them—other than to stir up division. This is all you do around here anymore.

You've become a professional Donald Trump concern troll, and even if every single item that you constantly are wringing your hands about were unequivocally true, it wouldn't change the fact that what you're doing serves no positive end—indeed, your actions are much more likely to produce negative outcomes—like undermining morale.

Why would you want to do something like that?

I can't decide whether your behavior is deliberate, or something subconscious that you can't control—but it's just too consistent to ignore.

In any event, one would suppose that it would be best to persuade people not to rely on polls for there perception of reality. Better to look for "truth" elsewhere, instead of citing statistics—statistics which are clearly presented with a slanted agenda.

We know Donald Trump is a flawed man. With your constant reminders, how could we not know?

But your bias against President Trump borders on the pathological. I can't be the only one who sees it. (Anecdotal evidence indicates I'm not).

You can be relied upon to engage in gratuitous negativity whenever the opportunity presents itself—a tweet, a poll, a legislative setback—just like the Enemy. But why be like them?

Add to that the fact that you're dead wrong regarding so many things—such as (most recently) Donald Trump's brilliant Presidential tweet about being surveilled—and you're really doing your obviously formidable intellect no favors.

You need to accept the fact that President Trump is going to act in unconventional ways—ways which annoy you to no end—for as long as he's in office. But you need to stop taking the President hyper-literally all the time. Again, this is something that the Enemy revels in.

It's you that should learn to embrace President Trump—with all his quirks and flaws—rather than expecting him to conform to your impractical and rigid standards of etiquette.

Perhaps many people are incapable of this. But you surely aren't.

It's like I told you last year—during one of your bouts of "Trump Derangement Syndrome"—eventually, you're going to have to learn to stop worrying and love the Donald—warts and all...

397 posted on 04/06/2017 12:01:31 AM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: sargon
When I said contemporaneous with their issuance that the 5 AM tweets were poorly executed, you accused me then of engaging in hatred against Donald Trump. We had a long wrangle at that time. You then came onto this thread and poked the issue with a stick again so I reiterated my initial contemporaneous opinion-as you knew damn well I would.

Having provoked the repetition of that opinion you exploit the opportunity to excoriate me on these threads for being anti-Trump.

I say you are clinically passive aggressive.


398 posted on 04/06/2017 2:43:18 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: sargon
Dear Reader, kindly consider for a moment what Sargon is trying to accomplish by stalking me on these threads and repeating over and over his argument that I am a Trump hater. What does he want to accomplish by doing this instead of having a life? Well obviously he wants to stop me expressing my conservative political opinions on a conservative political forum. In other words, he wants to get me zotted. But the insidiousness of what he is doing harms not just me, but you.

Failing accomplishing a zot, he wants you to believe that any point I make is invalid because its author is to be despised. Consider how tyrannical the implications of Sargon's censorship inevitably become. By his lights my support of Donald Trump counts for nothing on my behalf but any criticism I make of Donald Trump should cease.

Should we have failed to criticize George HW Bush when he broke his no new taxes pledge? Should we have failed to criticize George W. Bush for the nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court? The very first vanity I made on this forum more than 12 years ago criticized George Bush for his failure to stop illegal immigration coming across the border. Should I have been shut down for advancing an opinion against a sitting Republican president? If we were around during his administration would we have forbidden criticism of Richard Nixon for founding the EPA? For his Supreme Court appointments?

Sargon wants Free Republic to abandon its role as a forum for conservative opinion to become an amen chorus for Donald Trump. I can think of nothing more dangerous to the nation or to this forum than the kind of censorship he wants to put in place. Not because Donald Trump is especially deserving of criticism, but because the absence of criticism of any person in power leads to tyranny. The First Amendment is in place to protect unpopular speech because popular speech hardly needs protection. Protecting unpopular speech is the price we pay to hear the truth because we might never know what is right unless we hear what is unpalatable. That is why the First Amendment opposes shooting the messenger as Sargon would have you do.

I ask you to judge what I say based on the merits of the arguments. Sometimes Sargon will actually engage on the merits and I never fail to deal with him on that level. More often, sadly, he resorts to attacking me personally and deprives you the reader of an opportunity to engage on a level of policy rather than personality.

The real goal of Sargon is not to shut me down, his real goal is to control you by controlling what you read.


399 posted on 04/06/2017 2:45:45 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: sargon

Poll data...

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3541189/posts


402 posted on 04/06/2017 4:43:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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