Posted on 03/27/2017 8:26:37 PM PDT by LS
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Reagan was willing to work with Democrats to get his agenda done as well.
Trump knows there are free market solutions to getting those covered with pre-conditions.
There will be no expansion of Medicaid or a public option, Obamacare will collapse and it will be replaced with a free market alternative.
I’m certainly not in favor of single payer for any number of reasons. Not the least of which is that single payer would make me unemployed.
But - as I’ve said - I work in this industry and there NO free market solutions to covering those with pre-existing conditions. There is no “plan” where you can take all the sickest people in the country and create some kind of insurance plan that makes money. These are not high risk patients. These are known risk patients. You know for a fact that they are going to be sick eventually, and it’s going to cost a fortune.
No. That’s not how it ever worked. The only method of collection—was if you got a REFUND.
Historically, NO law that has not been enforced for a few years has never been enforced. Only exception, Tea Act 1773.
Bah, humbug.
Government by EO is not the right way of running the USA.
No business that offers a product that no one can afford will have many customers.
No, no, no it was a Super Secret, Super Genius plan to abolish ObamaCare, I read about it here for months.
I am told that people who cross state lines do not get sick. No really.
What are you talking about? I already said both these plans are unconstitutional and wrong.
I do not like anything about RinoCare or ObamaCare and I am glad RinoCare was defeated and want ObamaCare repealed. Both are unconstitutional and illegal and even is they were legal, they are wrong.
These democrats already forced EVERYONE (via OCare) to pay for insurance where no one is excluded on preexisting conditions, and a bunch of crap that does not belong in insurance plans is required to be covered by all. That is socialism right there, and that part was left intact by RinoCare.
All I was saying is that RinoCare (which was defeated, yea!) was even more unjust by essentially repealing taxes for ONLY a certain select group of people that had to pay under ObamaCare. (Remember that I do not want either plan.)
As long as they are forcing socialism on us all, they should force it on everyone. Flat tax slightly less bad, not the worse progressive illegal tax like you now seem to be defending.
What you are saying is that I cannot complain about RinoCare converting a socialist plan into an even more socialist/progressive tax, an even worse socialist plan. That’s the meat of it and you did not realize that. Instead you act dramatically about your medical bills.
I would rather leave ObamaCare’s flatter structure while we defeat it than placate a few people so we cannot then get rid of it.
If you are going advocate forcing the people who actually BUY insurance to pay an artificially EVEN HIGHER high price due to Obama’s utopian insurance plan, then do not leave that terrible plan in place and BUY favoritism to it buy exempting SOME people.
That’s just being a Democrat. I know you are not one, but if you think about it, you are defending a terrible plan against a like minded person, like trying to put a dress on a pig, for no good reason.
I am clearly against both ObamaCare and RinoCare so your accusation about me wanting to steal your money is just silly drama that does not educate those who are reading here.
The Government can make their insurance payments tax deductible.
So are you defending Obamacare?
(I know you are not but it could sound that way.)
ObamaCare has done nothing to help.
Other people still pay for all the messes. Those costs are all factored into processes and payments and insurance costs. Fixing health insurance is not going to fix taking care of drug addicts who do not pay into the system and who cost the system.
Repeal ObamaCare and unleash the free market (complex but has been described well in many places). The market will factor in the costs of doing business which for the moment includes a lot of system abusers.
The biggest complaint I have heard that seems to have some validity is that THE SICK are paying higher prices as a result of non-payers and what I would call “system abusers.” So medical prices contain what is like “a tax on the sick.” Point made.
However the care of those who cannot or do not pay or who abuse the system and unnecessarily siphon off resources can be addressed separately. Addressing that does not have to be rolled into “normal usual people’s” medical insurance and how medical care is delivered and priced.
And none of it should be done illegally at the Federal level.
That’s why we need to proceed with full repeal, despite the (good) executive actions that have removed a lot of it.
Tax deductible for the person with the pre-existing condition?
How does that help UHC, BCBS, Aetna, etc? They are still on the hook for potentially hundreds of dollars for patients they know are sick when they sign them up.
Why would they insurance these people?
Insure these people.
Trump gutted Obama Care on his first day as POTUS!
Trump has Already Effectively Repealed Obamacare (Dick Morris)
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Posted on 3/27/2017, 8:26:37 PM by LS
Dick Morris says what I have said for a couple of weeks. Obamacare really has been killed, and no one noticed.
Trump told the IRS not to enforce the “individual mandate.” That is the essential coercive element. No mandate, no O-care. Morris said he did this last week-—in fact, I heard more than four weeks ago that the IRS was NOT enforcing this and just assumed it came from Trump.
Second, the requirement that you buy from an “approved” insurance company-—Trump waived that as well by telling HHS to approve any policy as “qualifying.”
Yes, some of the subsidies and other crap remains, but the individual mandate-—which the USSC upheld-—is gone and so is the other coercive mechanism.
And nobody noticed.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3538644/posts
Executive Order Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal
EXECUTIVE ORDER
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MINIMIZING THE ECONOMIC BURDEN OF THE PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT PENDING REPEAL
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. It is the policy of my Administration to seek the prompt repeal of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111-148), as amended (the “Act”). In the meantime, pending such repeal, it is imperative for the executive branch to ensure that the law is being efficiently implemented, take all actions consistent with law to minimize the unwarranted economic and regulatory burdens of the Act, and prepare to afford the States more flexibility and control to create a more free and open healthcare market.
Sec. 2. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (Secretary) and the heads of all other executive departments and agencies (agencies) with authorities and responsibilities under the Act shall exercise all authority and discretion available to them to waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement of the Act that would impose a fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.
Sec. 3. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the Secretary and the heads of all other executive departments and agencies with authorities and responsibilities under the Act, shall exercise all authority and discretion available to them to provide greater flexibility to States and cooperate with them in implementing health care programs.
Sec. 4. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the head of each department or agency with responsibilities relating to healthcare or health insurance shall encourage the development of a free and open market in interstate commerce for the offering of healthcare services and health insurance, with the goal of achieving and preserving maximum options for patients and consumers.
Sec. 5. To the extent that carrying out the directives in this order would require revision of regulations issued through notice-and-comment rulemaking, the heads of agencies shall comply with the Administrative Procedure Act and other applicable statutes in considering or promulgating such regulatory revisions.
Sec. 6. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
DONALD J. TRUMP
THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 20, 2017
The Government can give the insurance companies tax deductions as well to cover their losses.
NOt really. The only thing changed was whether or not IRS would accept return with question unanswered. Maybe people are hoping the IRS won’t ask for the money but I do not trust the IRS since the tax law has not changed.
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