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To: cotton1706

I am really wondering if the GOP is happy that Trump won. Life is much easier in opposition, when all you have to do is kick back and complain.

How many times did the GOP vote to repeal Obamacare when they knew it wouldn’t go anywhere? Who were those Congressmen? We need to put the wood to these peckerheads.


13 posted on 03/25/2017 4:36:40 AM PDT by Ronin (Blackface or bolt-ons, it's the same fraud. - Norm Lenhart)
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To: Ronin
I am really wondering if the GOP is happy that Trump won. Life is much easier in opposition, when all you have to do is kick back and complain.

How many times did the GOP vote to repeal Obamacare when they knew it wouldn’t go anywhere? Who were those Congressmen? We need to put the wood to these peckerheads.


Exactly. It's not a hard job to be back-benchers when you know Obama will veto everything. UNLESS you want to be REAL leaders - in which case Ryan and McConnell, once they were in charge of both houses, should have been sending bills to Obama once a day for him to veto! THAT would have shown Moxie. But noooo! They took the easy road.

Had this RyanCare bill passed yesterday, it would have been a HUGE feather in RINORyan's cap. He wanted nothing more than to have gotten the votes for this, but since his elevation as Speaker he hasn't had to work this hard, and it showed how much of a loser he is.

This debacle PROVED Ryan has neither the talent nor the skills, nor the leadership ability, to be Speaker.

Being GOP Speaker of the House in the Obama Administration? Not such a hard job: remember, the "GOP" stood for "Give Obama Power"; it was all Kabuki Theater after all. Under Trump, however, the House GOP had to deliver, and Ryan failed miserably.

Next up on Trump's chopping block: Mitch McConnell.

20 posted on 03/25/2017 4:49:07 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("Game over, man, game over!" (my advice to DemocRATs))
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To: Ronin

Well, you are touching on something here...the Republicans are all hat and no cattle. Unfortunately, after this, Trump will get that brand as well - all talk and bluster, no deliver.

Ryan must go - as a grand show of blame, if for no other reason. Trump is in a precarious situation here because for whatever reason, he went with Ryan and failed because of it. Preibus may need to go as well, for the same reason - showing that failure is not an option. Because in the end the responsibility for failure will always, always reside with Trump alone in the eyes of the people. The buck stops here. And beyond the fact the bill sucked supremely, this was a Trump defeat, and the man of big, huge, Grand statements and bombastic pronouncements cannot afford defeats.

It is Trump’s blood in the water today. Ryan is just an “underling” in the eyes of the people - not the leader, just a guy with a job that he failed at. But in the end, the buck stops at Trump.

Today there are two openly happy groups...the very far left...Democrats, the further left the happier. They know there is only one place this can now go - single payer government run healthcare, through Obama’s “success” and Trump’s failure, they see the Holy Grail right there to grab. And the ideologically conservative right is happy because a piece of legislation that violated their ideology was beaten down. They agree with nothing else with that first group, the Far Left, but this bill’s defeat pleases them as well. And that these two particular opposite ends happen to both be happy at this event should stop and make everyone think...and maybe be a bit afraid. Who has the power and societal support to win this long game of the grand battle between the opposite ends of the spectrum?

In the end, this is about the broad brush strokes. Trump staked his claim to the presidency on the fact that as a country we don’t win anymore. He said we’d win so much we’d get sick of it. However now, on two of his biggest signature issues now, the Establishment has handed him ringing defeats. The possibly temporary defeat on his effort to exert his authority on immigration, stopped in his tracks by lowly, individual district court judges, at least until he gets a Supreme Court justice through - something that now is in question, will Republicans in the Senate go to the wall to kill the filibuster for a President that fumbled on the one-yard line? And now a second, more permanent defeat when he put himself out there fully to pass this health care monstrosity, tied his cart to Ryan, and failed.

Failure is not an option for Trump, he made that clear himself. He has the entire governing establishment stacked against him, working to kill his presidency in the cradle. He has to smack them down hard and repeatedly, beat them at their own game. Today, he doesn’t look up to that terribly daunting, Augean Stables task.

Yesterday, Trump saved Barack Obama’s “legacy” by trying to destroy it and failing. If he doesn’t start winning very big, very fast - winning on major policiy initiatives that require Congressional action - then he’s heading fast toward saving Jimmy Carter’s.

The buck stops with him. Failure is no longer an option.


32 posted on 03/25/2017 5:23:43 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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