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I posted an article that said Pence and Kushner were distancing themselves from it. Another article said Bannon is, too.

Hang it around Ryan's neck

1 posted on 03/24/2017 9:53:37 AM PDT by RummyChick
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This Obamacare 2.0 “replacement” failure should be celebrated. And then repeal Obamacare 1.0. That is the only option.


2 posted on 03/24/2017 9:57:41 AM PDT by sagar
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IMHO Ryan is part of the establishment and I do not trust him at all. I think Trump is trying to fulfill has campaign promises. By the way the Keystone pipeline was approved today and a company telecom company is bringing back 1000’s of jobs. All of that will not be reported by the media.


3 posted on 03/24/2017 9:57:43 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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Well, it IS his responsibility to cut the deals with the conservatives. If he is too inept, or pig headed, we need another Speaker.


4 posted on 03/24/2017 9:58:36 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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Ryan’s plan all along was to pass this rearranging of Obamacare and hang it around Trump’s neck to make him a one term President.


5 posted on 03/24/2017 10:00:57 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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I don’t care who gets the blame and I don’t care who gets the credit.

Just kill it, guys.


6 posted on 03/24/2017 10:02:40 AM PDT by OkiMusashi (Beware the fury of a patient man. --- John Dryden)
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Once again, how would anyone know what Trump’s Plan B is unless he was being snooped on?


7 posted on 03/24/2017 10:02:55 AM PDT by dforest
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It would be a risky move if Ryan is not eliminated in the process. Ryan could get payback by denying Trump tax cuts, budget cuts, appropriations for his projects. He could be a large thorn in Trump’s side, if he believes that Trump engineered this to diminish him.


9 posted on 03/24/2017 10:04:20 AM PDT by Defiant (The media is the colostomy bag where truth goes after democrats digest it.)
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I hope so..

Trump did not have a “health care plan” except to REPEAL OBAMACARE.

Just sunset it right now- As of 2018 Obamacare is repealed. That gives them 20 years to dream up a ‘replacement’ and two years for us to get rid of Ryan and remaining RINO’s


11 posted on 03/24/2017 10:06:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF OBAMACARE REPEAL THAT IS WORSE THAN KEEPING IT ONE MORE DAY***)
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That ain’t pla b. I think Trump preferred doing tax reform first and Ryan and the RINOs convinced him they could get this through quickly.

This is Ryan’s baby all the way


12 posted on 03/24/2017 10:06:14 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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> Hang it around Ryan’s neck

Never-Trumper Ryan tried to torpedo Trump.


13 posted on 03/24/2017 10:10:00 AM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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I don't get all the hype about republicans and Trump losing everything if this fiasco gets turned down.

It's a bad deal and should be killed along with the obummercare mothership. That can still be done before the mid terms and probably after so why the criticism that it wasn't done within the first 60 days?

I would rather see them take their time and do it right.

14 posted on 03/24/2017 10:12:49 AM PDT by pfflier
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“ultimatum: take the vote on Friday, win or lose.”

As it should be.
The GOP should have had all this figured out. They had 8 years: the moment the opportunity arose, they should have had bills ready to file and votes lined up - none of this “oh crap, our opportunity arrived and we’re not ready” all-nighter BS.

A big part of Trump’s message in this is (or should be): don’t waste the Executive’s time.
That’s something I’ve had to learn in business. The CEO wants concise solutions & deliverables _done_; he hates being dragged thru petty details by bickering parties.
Obviously the GOP isn’t serious about their own “repeal ACA now!” message. On to the next issue, and we’ll come back to this when constituents have duly reamed out their representatives.

I’d posit that Trump doesn’t actually want Ryancare, doesn’t actually want a gov’t-run replacement, he wants a full repeal and full free-market solution - and is pulling the “pass it or drop it” tactic to make the GOP realize they don’t really want to “replace”. The implied message is “get 51 votes for repeal, pull the nuclear option, and get this issue DONE already.”


15 posted on 03/24/2017 10:14:02 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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House Republicans show they neither fear nor respect both Ryan and Trump.


16 posted on 03/24/2017 10:14:22 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Don't call it Trumpcare until he does!)
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All you need to remember is that Ryan was RomneyCare Mitt’s running mate. That’s why we got such a pathetic attempt at repeal.


18 posted on 03/24/2017 10:17:58 AM PDT by Antoninus ("The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole and separately." -Solzhenitsyn)
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...Trump is planning to blame Ryan...

See, this is how the Dems (and their media) keep giving the Repubs a bad name: when the Dems lose a vote, they blame the opposition, not each other.

19 posted on 03/24/2017 10:18:27 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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It would be Ryan’s fault.

I’m not sure what Preibus has to do with it, but Ryan clearly is so poor a leader that he cannot even get out of the gate.

He clearly cannot lead the house.


20 posted on 03/24/2017 10:19:48 AM PDT by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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Will Trump have Ryan shot in the Rose Garden later today ?


21 posted on 03/24/2017 10:22:09 AM PDT by butlerweave
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My plan B: send congress home. let them come back in December to pass another “Ryan Omnicrap Budget” and the other budget bills needed before we get the Omnicrap.

The other option is to make us listen to worthless promises on tax reform, budget, etc for the rest of the year and then end up with nothing but another Omnicrap budget.

If this doesn’t pass, Trump is on his own. And unfortunately he’s significantly limited without legislation so we can forget tax reform, immigration reform, a strong economy, etc. Different factions of Rs are no less divided on all the other major issues.

Maybe Trump can work with governors on dividing the country. If Rs can’t compromise with themselves on fixing Obamacare now, there’s no chance they avoid the other disasters coming our way. There’s too much distance between different groups/states even among Rs for compromise. At least give me a conservative state to move to rather than watch what’s coming as everyone digs in their heels and refuses to make fixes. As congress does nothing (or worse), the courts keep moving us left.


24 posted on 03/24/2017 10:25:26 AM PDT by LostPassword
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Considering the planning that has gone into this scapegoating campaign, one almost wonders if it is not Trump's intention all along to lose the vote, in the process eliminating Ryan with whom he butted heads repeatedly before the election. As Bloomberg adds, "several Trump associates have already laid groundwork to blame the speaker."
28 posted on 03/24/2017 10:36:34 AM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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Considering the planning that has gone into this scapegoating campaign, one almost wonders if it is not Trump's intention all along to lose the vote, in the process eliminating Ryan with whom he butted heads repeatedly before the election. As Bloomberg adds, "several Trump associates have already laid groundwork to blame the speaker."
29 posted on 03/24/2017 10:37:07 AM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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