Posted on 03/11/2017 1:38:15 PM PST by Resettozero
THANK YOU, GOVERNOR PALIN!!!
President Trump has endorsed it.
Ok, then I am being misinformed by his presentation. It really isn’t a mandate but it is a BS rule. Why enshrine that into law? If the insurance company wants to do that then fine, we can go to another one. I DO have a problem with this provision but I wouldn’t throw the whole thing out because of it. Just scrap it...
As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.
A constitutional problem with insurance is explained as follows.
If I understand correctly, the feds are still prohibiting insurance companies from selling insurance across state borders. The problem with this federal restriction is that the states have never expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to regulate insurance, regardless if buyer and seller are domiciled in different states.
As evidence of this, note that a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified that insurance policies are contracts and that the scope of Congress’s Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3) do not include regulating contracts.
"4. The issuing of a policy of insurance is not a transaction of commerce within the meaning of the latter of the two clauses, even though the parties be domiciled in different States, but is a simple contract [emphases added] of indemnity against loss.” —Paul v. Virginia, 1869. (The corrupt feds have no Commerce Clause (1.8.3) power to regulate insurance.)
So the RINOcare insurance mandate respects neither the Constitution or the free market.
Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!
Remember in November ’18 !
Since Trump entered the ’16 presidential race too late for patriots to make sure that there were state sovereignty-respecting candidates on the primary ballots, patriots need make sure that such candidates are on the ’18 primary ballots so that they can be elected to support Trump in draining the unconstitutionally big federal government swamp.
Such a Congress will also be able to finish draining the swamp with respect to getting the remaining state sovereignty-ignoring, activist Supreme Court justices off of the bench.
Noting that the primaries start in Iowa and New Hampshire in February ‘18, patriots need to challenge candidates for federal office in the following way.
Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.
Patriots also need to find candidates that are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed below.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphasis added].” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
Nonsense. What an exaggeration. Sarah just called a spade a spade. Good for her.
Hopefully, President Trump will wake the f--k up and stop acting as if this bill is anything other than 0bamacare lite.
I can't imagine that Steve Bannon would be happy with this bill, and if President Trump thinks it's fine in its current form, I'll be very surprised and disappointed.
Why not repeal the mandate instead of zeroing it out? What kind of stunt is that?
This is still government-run healthcare, apparently. That's not what the President promised us. Signing this bill as-is would constitute a broken promise from the President.
If the President tries to pass this turd off as health care reform, he's going to get crucified by those who voted for him expecting something more, and he's going to own it even though it has Ryan's imprimatur on it.
I can't think of a more thorough way to discourage his supporters, and have some of them jump ship, than to settle for this garbage as anything resembling "repealing and replacing" 0bamacare.
What the f--k is going on?
However, I'm still going to keep my powder dry, because we're at the very early stages of this process.
Hopefully the firestorm of criticism from the conservative electorate, as well as the conservative punditry, will be sufficient to convince the President that we can do much better...
“Interstate competition or bust!”
What is keeping out interstate competitions? Where is the law that says that companies cannot sell insurance policies in any state they want?
This interstate competition canard is total crap. The reason the market is so fragmented is because of “states rights”.
You see each state has mandates on what insurance companies must cover, each has insurance commissions breathing down insurance companies neck. So the companies go where it makes the most sense to them.
A policy sold in Arizona, would probably not be legal in California.
So do we conservatives want to reduce state rights and let the federal government tell each state what it can allow to be sold?
Signed into law by Reagan.
According to some people here, anyone who opposes the RINOcare bill must be a NeverTrumper. Sarah is opposing it.
Just about everything that requires common sense.
Single payer here we come.
And she is correct
I haven't seen such sentiment expressed even once. If it's true, you'll have to elaborate...
Super Secret, Super Genius Plan #135
I think DailyKos is the site you should be on. Plenty of snark there I’m sure. Tax credit’s allow me to keep my own money; you can’t get a refund with a tax credit. The fact that you needed to insult me instead of answering my question shows you have no argument. You’re just talking out of your rear
Well...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/donald-trump-health-care/index.html
Trump vowed to throw his full support behind the effort to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act during a meeting with House GOP leadership, saying he is "proud" to support a GOP-authored plan to replace Obamacare and told members behind closed doors that he would support it "100%," according to sources in the room. "I'm proud to support the replacement plan released by the House of Representatives and encouraged by members of both parties," Trump said during brief remarks captured by the press pool.
Virtually every article that is posted in opposition to the bill, they just repeatedly post, screaming “NeverTrumper! NeverTrumper!” as if that is some kind of rational argument.
Well...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/donald-trump-health-care/index.html
Trump vowed to throw his full support behind the effort to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act during a meeting with House GOP leadership, saying he is "proud" to support a GOP-authored plan to replace Obamacare and told members behind closed doors that he would support it "100%," according to sources in the room.
"I'm proud to support the replacement plan released by the House of Representatives and encouraged by members of both parties," Trump said during brief remarks captured by the press pool.
Under the current law "insurance companies" (a misnomer) have been dropping like flies. There are areas of the country with no insurance operators at all.
How do you inject competition into that scenario?
Or are you talking about provider competition?
So it's not as cut and dried as you're indicating.
It looks like it might be time for Senators Cruz and Paul to draw a line in the sand in the Senate.
If both Cruz and Paul capitulate to this turd, then I'll have to assume—since both of them are staunch conservatives—that this bill isn't quite as awful as some are suggesting.
The truth will out.
Right now I'm putting all my hopes in Senator's Cruz and Paul, and hopefully Steve Bannon as well.
This an important moment in the Trump Presidency—certainly th emost important moment thus far— and I can't believe the President is not willing to fight to get the best solution possible—one he can take credit for when it succeeds.
Having said that, it is the legislature's responsibility to craft the laws of this nation; it's where the burden appropriately rests. So we can't expect the President to do all of the heavy lifting. Congress is going to have to acquit itself well in this process, because the executive branch isn't supposed to write the nation's laws.
This is an area of joint responsibility, and the President can't govern as a conservative just by being all by himself out on an island, surrounded by an ocean of squishy "moderates".
If the administration wants a better bill, however, it's going to have to lead in one way or another.
So just as I reject those who insist this bill is the answer, I similarly reject the notion that the responsibility for what ensues is solely the President's.
The problem may be that there are too many Republicans slithering around in the swamp with the Democrats.
Who knows, it might be impossible to be a populist President and be a successful one.
President Trump is going to have to constantly readjust his large cohones if he's to be truly Revolutionary...
Clearly she doesn't, or we wouldn't be talking about RINOCare at all.
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