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Fake bullet hole in Synagogue in Indiana
ammoland ^ | 9 March, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 03/10/2017 4:47:28 AM PST by marktwain

This picture shows the “bullet hole” in the window of the class room at the Temple Adath B'nai Israel complex in Evansville, Indiana.  Rabbi Gary Mazo has been going “ballistic”, claiming that this is evidence of a hate crime designed  to intimidate and silence Jews. The damage is supposed to have been done on a Sunday, the 26th of February.  It was discovered Monday, and reported to the authorities on Tuesday.

Image from tristatehomepage.com

You can see the damage to the window in a close up. It is clearly *not* a bullet hole. The horizontal measurement of the cone is likely about an inch. The hole in the center is almost certainly less than 1/8th of an inch. It is an obvious Hertzian cone in glass, most commonly caused by the impact of a steel BB from the common  BB gun. The actual hole in the center of the cone is mostly round and very small, usually under 2 mm.  I have seen dozens of these sort of impact cones caused by BB guns.  If vandalism is the intention, there are usually many, many impacts. BBs are very cheap, and BB guns are nearly silent. A single impact is likely the result of accident or negligence, but seldom malice.

But malice was immediately conceived of as the obvious intent by Rabbi Gary Mazo. From thehill.com:


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The window damage is *not* a bullet hole. It very likely is simple negligence or carelessness, and not a hate crime. But it was reported around the world as a hate crime against a synagogue.

It is fake news.

1 posted on 03/10/2017 4:47:28 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I would disagree that this is “fake news”.

There are two problems: First, the nature of the projectile that caused the damage, someone who doesn’t know anything about this could be forgiven for thinking it is a bullet hole. Secondly, attributing it to “hate” is a knee jerk reaction. More likely just a stupid kid with a BB gun shooting at stuff, even deliberately at the window. To the kid, is isn’t a synagogue associated with jewish people, it was probably a building with nobody else around.

I view this differently from REAL fake news, the the muslim woman who said some guy tried to rip her hajab off or light it on fire or something...and was intentionally contrived and made up.

This is a misinterpretation (and to some degree, understandable IMO) of something that really did happen.

What SHOULD have happened is that someone should have said “Hey...a bullet would have gone through that window!” and the Rabbi should have said “Stupid kids.” or something like that.


2 posted on 03/10/2017 4:58:02 AM PST by rlmorel (President Donald J. Trump ... Making Liberal Heads Explode, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: marktwain

Yes, but hoplophobiacs and liberal news media can’t tell the difference between a bb gun and regular gun. It’s all big scary guns and bullets to them. Is it fake or just stupidity?


3 posted on 03/10/2017 4:59:02 AM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: marktwain

And the entire concept of “Hate Crimes” is completely asinine, too, IMO.


4 posted on 03/10/2017 4:59:45 AM PST by rlmorel (President Donald J. Trump ... Making Liberal Heads Explode, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: marktwain

I loaned my brother-in-law one of my cars the other day. He parked in front of his house. That night a group of kids did a drive-by, shooting out car windows and windows of houses with a BB gun. All through the neighborhood.

It’s not uncommon in these parts to do random vandalism like that.

In Michigan, it is more common to have your mailbox smashed with a baseball bat. In Central Kentucky, it seems egging random houses is the vandalism of choice.

Luck of the draw.


5 posted on 03/10/2017 4:59:48 AM PST by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: \/\/ayne

I never heard that word (hoplophobiacs) before...I like it! It sounds much more...authoritative than “gun grabbers”!


6 posted on 03/10/2017 5:01:27 AM PST by rlmorel (President Donald J. Trump ... Making Liberal Heads Explode, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: marktwain

4 rubber bands, a small pouch and a pebble at 100 yds will do that, or so I have been told.

A small rock thrown by a lawn mower will also do that.

A BB impact is usually more symmetric.


7 posted on 03/10/2017 5:01:45 AM PST by wrench
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That is clearly a hole made by a BB gun. Don’t ask how I know, but I was only 11 at the time...


8 posted on 03/10/2017 5:02:58 AM PST by Yo-Yo ( Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Oh, good grief. I was focused on the hole there, not much else, and then looking at it again, noticed that “thing” in the background outside the window.

What is that?

My first thought when I noticed it is that there might have been a bird or squirrel sitting on it, and some kid took a shot at it with his BB gun...


9 posted on 03/10/2017 5:03:51 AM PST by rlmorel (President Donald J. Trump ... Making Liberal Heads Explode, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: wrench

Most holes caused by slingshots go all the way through.

I have heard of such damage from rocks thrown by a lawn mower or a weed wacker, but that seemed unlikely in February.

There are fascinating physics involved. Basically a shock wave is set up in the glass, which then breaks under tension as the wave is reflected from the opposite free surface.


10 posted on 03/10/2017 5:09:31 AM PST by marktwain (We wanted to tell our side of the story. We hope by us telling our story...)
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My first thought when I noticed it is that there might have been a bird or squirrel sitting on it, and some kid took a shot at it with his BB gun...


It is some kind of playground equipment.


11 posted on 03/10/2017 5:10:56 AM PST by marktwain (We wanted to tell our side of the story. We hope by us telling our story...)
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There is a Grievance Elite in this country that has constructed a huge, fuel-hungry machine which like an ever-hungry bird demands to be fed from time to time.

And this country is one with a huge emphasis on fairness and sticking up for the underdog:

It’s like the uneasy partnership between an alcoholic and a bottle collector.


12 posted on 03/10/2017 5:11:06 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Yo-Yo

I remember when I was around 11 or 12 (must be something about that age) I had a friend with a BB gun, and we had a streetlight that had a domed glass thing around the light.

We began taking potshots at it, and it didn’t break, but the BB’s were getting inside, so we kept firing. We put a whole bunch into it, but the thing wouldn’t break. We gave up, and after that any time we walked by that light and he had his BB gun, he would take a shot or two.

One night, he fired a random shot into it, and the thing broke off and came down smashing to pieces in the road!

We immediately ran over and began trying to pick up BBs because, hey, they cost money, so here we are on our hands and knees in the middle of the road picking up BBs, when we looked at each other and had the same thought: “What the hell are we doing here?”

Heh, if a car had come down the street and seen us, it would have been like leaving your wallet at the scene of a crime! My dad was the XO on the base, and...well, you can only imagine how that would have gone over with him!


13 posted on 03/10/2017 5:11:11 AM PST by rlmorel (President Donald J. Trump ... Making Liberal Heads Explode, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: marktwain

LOL, probably taking a shot at some other kid.

I remember climbing on a basketball hoop and was hanging in a somewhat awkward position shinnying up it, and my brother (who had a friend’s BB gun came over, pressed the barrel against my butt cheek and pulled the trigger!

I was wearing dungarees, but it felt like I had been stung by a bee, or sat on a lit cigarette!


14 posted on 03/10/2017 5:14:30 AM PST by rlmorel (President Donald J. Trump ... Making Liberal Heads Explode, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: marktwain

“Most holes caused by slingshots go all the way through.”

On residential glass esp with a big rock, yes.

On commercial grade, thick glass (that pane is 1/4” or more, the glass on your house is 1/8” or less) with a pebble (about .20 inch in diameter) it will leave damage just like the pic.


15 posted on 03/10/2017 5:15:16 AM PST by wrench
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To: gaijin

For them, and the media, it is a win-win. They both want the same people to be blamed, and the media thinks it increases their ratings.


16 posted on 03/10/2017 5:15:52 AM PST by rlmorel (President Donald J. Trump ... Making Liberal Heads Explode, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: marktwain

Using a bb gun as opposed to a more lethal gun IMO does not make this likely negligence or carelessness. And I really don’t get your reasoning on the idea that it does.


17 posted on 03/10/2017 5:18:35 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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That is clearly a hole made by a BB gun. Don’t ask how I know, but I was only 11 at the time...

You may have noticed at the time, after the wave of relief over not shooting your own eye out had passed, that the "small" end of the cone-shaped damage was on the side struck by the BB. I may be mistaken, but this window appears to have been shot from the INSIDE.

More from the article:

"Characterized by a small hole, about 1/8″ in diameter on one side of the glass (commonly caused by a BB or Pellet gun), and a cone shaped hole about ¾” to 1 ½” in diameter on the opposite side of the glass. The smaller hole is on the side of the glass that was hit by the object causing the damage."

18 posted on 03/10/2017 5:22:21 AM PST by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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“I may be mistaken, but this window appears to have been shot from the INSIDE.”

I thought the same thing. Somebody in the synagogue grab-assing around...pinged something off the window...Rabbi Mazoball took advantage of the situation.

Definitely fake news.


19 posted on 03/10/2017 5:46:27 AM PST by moovova
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To: Charles Martel

I do know that the cone appears on the side opposite the surface that gets shot. My incident was with a large living room picture window, double pane. The “diamond” was trapped between the two panes of glass.

I was wondering if it was shot from the inside, or if the trees and lamp posts were reflections and the photo was actually taken from outside.


20 posted on 03/10/2017 7:04:16 AM PST by Yo-Yo ( Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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